Will everyone be disappointed with just 25bp cut?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by detective, Oct 26, 2007.

  1. It comes down to free markets seeking a semblance of parity in global purchasing power. As I've written here before, we American's can make $400 on a Saturday tending bar and know we can "exchange" that $400 for the labor and materials of 10 Chinese guy's manufacturing a plasma. We take it as gospel that an autoworker in Flint provides 20x the utility of an assemblyman in Tampico. It used to be American's worked 10 minutes for a gallon of gas while a Malaysian worked a day. Now perhaps we work half an hour for the same product while the Asian works two hours. Someday we'll be at parity. I'm no liberal but I am fair minded and there's a social-justice tenant saying all men are equal. This bring's us to Bernanke, Cheney and policy.

    There are two distinct economic American's. One part of America benefit's from asset appreciation rather than labor and the other provide service in exchange for currency/essentials. In a capitalistic society the poor work for the rich. That's fine. That's how poor folk eat and with initiative they can try to be un poor. Hence to keep the chain afloat it's important to keep asset prices away from levels that could cause upheaval. The only people who really benefit from price shock are shorts and those seeking entrance into the asset class. Rest assured, the asset holders aren't looking out for the interest of those two groups. Is there a price to pay for risk avoidance? Of course and it manifests itself in the form of a cheaper currency.

    A devalued dollar effects the asset holder very little. His assets will generally appreciate in cheap dollars so that they can maintain global parity in price. The America toiling for dollar wages suffers the most as it's they who are assetless and paying more for essentials. Just the same, they'd be far worse off being unemployed.

    With the negative balance of trade and our number one export being debt how could anyone think that we'd maintain lordship over the third world? Because of our know how? Give me a friggin' break. Been to Compton? Besides those American's with know how-particuarly 6"11 power forwards- are rewarded very nicely. It is what it is.
     
    #21     Oct 26, 2007
  2. achilles28

    achilles28


    Are you aware of the actual mechanism that lowers rates? Or that keeps rates low?
     
    #22     Oct 26, 2007
  3. This best sums up what lowering rates does, and the difference between the 2000 cuts and the 2007 cuts:

    "The problem is that the last time the Fed embarked on a campaign lowering short-term interest rates, the U.S. dollar index was sitting near 120, gold was near $300, and oil was near $20. Now the dollar index is under 79, gold is over $750, and oil is over $90."
     
    #23     Oct 26, 2007
  4. kashirin

    kashirin

    you forgot similarities
    We didn't have inflation in 2000 and we don't have inlation now
    You know how they count inflation? if something gets expensive they exchange it to something that is cheaper
    so no we substitute food and gas to something else
    We drive on chinese DVDs and eat chinese plasmas

    LMAO
     
    #24     Oct 26, 2007
  5. kashirin

    kashirin

    regarding helth care and education
    do you know how many canadian doctors and teachers moved to US when exchange rate was 1.5?
    Do you think they will move now with exchange rate below parity?


    You defend rate cuts by your own personal uknown reasons for some time
    But it's clearly you 're biased as you ignore facts

    Weak currency is never good
    Countries like Canada and Australia with strong currencies and balanced budget now enjoy real prosperity. And US looks quite third world country now - just in 5 years
     
    #25     Oct 26, 2007
  6. Whatever the FED does it will disappoint the markets. If it's no cut, or, 25bps.
     
    #26     Oct 26, 2007
  7. You could have made the same argument in the mid 80s, with the dollar plummeting. Arguments aside, if you look at the objective history you'll find most Armageddon based arguments while appearing rational end up being specious in hind site.

    http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1656441#post1656441
    (latest post)
     
    #27     Oct 26, 2007
  8. akeyla

    akeyla

    A 25 BP cut is a certainty. Although imo there should be no cut. The market over the past week has been pricing in a 25 BP cut.
     
    #28     Oct 27, 2007
  9. Ya hit the nail on the head!

    No Cut, 25bps, 50 bps, it doesn't matter. As soon as it's released markets tank.
     
    #29     Oct 27, 2007
  10. bad economic data has been bullish for stocks for EONS...

    only now is there some semblence of a return to the negative correlation between equity and bond prices...
     
    #30     Oct 27, 2007