Wikileaks Thread

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by benwm, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. feng456

    feng456

    If this were Rome..? wtf? You are making comparisons with a society that also threw people to lions for sport? That helps your point how?

    Do you also realise that Wikileaks actually publishes stuff about all sorts of things and many different organisations/countries?

    No of course not. Stop watching your American media/propoganda and get your head around the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you all the time.
     
    #71     Dec 7, 2010

  2. +++++7
     
    #72     Dec 7, 2010
  3. Wikileaks is da bomb. The world needs to fight corruption at all levels.

    Assange is most likely headed to US courts now that they have him.

    Time to pass the torch to someone else.
     
    #73     Dec 7, 2010
  4. As I clearly stated I am all for transparency and uncovering corruption which Wikileaks did a fine job up until this issue. And it is sad if Wikileaks gets taken down for this.

    Again, this is not about uncovering corruption unfortunately, but making the US look bad to the world.

    There is a huge difference.

    My thumb down remark meant to say that the guy can burn in hell, not necessarily throw the guy to the lions.

    There is a difference there too. :D
     
    #74     Dec 7, 2010
  5. feng456

    feng456

    I understand where you are coming from. Let's call it a difference of opinion since I'm not the one feeling under attack here.

    The more they try to destroy Assange, the more they will make him a martyr. Wikileaks will fight on in one form or another.
     
    #75     Dec 7, 2010
  6. BSAM

    BSAM

    Tianamen Square, United States style. The oppressive thugs, with the big guns, always win.
     
    #76     Dec 7, 2010
  7. 'MasterCard pulls plug on WikiLeaks payments'
    "MasterCard is pulling the plug on payments to WikiLeaks, a move that will dry up
    another source of funds for the embattled document-sharing Web site, CNET has
    learned.
    "MasterCard is taking action to ensure that WikiLeaks can no longer accept MasterCard-branded products," a spokesman for MasterCard Worldwide said today."
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20024776-281.html
     
    #77     Dec 7, 2010
  8. That would certainly be a great way to do it. However it's pretty risky because of the chance of a public backlash. Ultimately the only real security against a government is the people's determination to keep it in check - if the will or awareness to do that is lacking, then we are fucked.

    What's worrying is that Assange's detention without bail only attracted a tiny handful of protestors in the UK, and (so far) no politicians are speaking up against it. It's ridiculous that you can be jailed for 3 weeks without any evidence of wrongdoing, merely because prosecutors in a foreign country want to *question* you as a witness. He is not even formally charged with a crime yet. This is a dark day for liberty in the UK and EU, which IMO simply lack a culture of liberty in the minds of the populace. Despite its flaws, in the USA this event would not have happened due to the constitutional protections against self-incrimination and so on.
     
    #78     Dec 7, 2010
  9. Theres a source of some funds ...sue em.
     
    #79     Dec 7, 2010
  10. http://ministryvalues.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1326&Itemid=127

    Ron Paul
    - Reaction to Wikileaks Predictable
    - Media Shoots the Messenger

    By Ron Paul December 7, 2010

    We may never know the whole story behind the recent publication of sensitive U.S. government documents by the WikiLeaks organization, but we certainly can draw some important conclusions from the reaction of so many in government and media.

    At its core, the WikiLeaks controversy serves as a diversion from the real issue of what our foreign policy should be. But the mainstream media, along with neoconservatives from both political parties, insists on asking the wrong question. When presented with embarrassing disclosures about U.S. spying and meddling, the policy that requires so much spying and meddling is not questioned. Instead, the media focuses on how so much sensitive information could have been leaked, or how authorities might prosecute the publishers of such information.

    No one questions the status quo or suggests a wholesale rethinking of our foreign policy. No one suggests that the White House or the State Department should be embarrassed that the U.S. engages in spying and meddling. The only embarrassment is that it was made public. This allows ordinary people to actually know and talk about what the government does. But state secrecy is anathema to a free society. Why exactly should Americans be prevented from knowing what their government is doing in their name?

    In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, however, we are in big trouble. The truth is that our foreign spying, meddling, and outright military intervention in the post-World War II era has made us less secure, not more. And we have lost countless lives and spent trillions of dollars for our trouble. Too often “official” government lies have provided justification for endless, illegal wars and hundreds of thousands of resulting deaths and casualties.

    Take the recent hostilities in Korea as only one example. More than 50 years after the end of the Korean War, American taxpayers continue to spend billions for the U.S. military to defend a modern and wealthy South Korea. The continued presence of the U.S. military places American lives between the two factions. The U.S. presence only serves to prolong the conflict, further drain our empty treasury, and place our military at risk.

    The neoconservative ethos, steeped in the teaching of Leo Strauss, cannot abide an America where individuals simply pursue their own happy, peaceful, prosperous lives. It cannot abide an America where society centers around family, religion, or civic and social institutions rather than an all-powerful central state. There is always an enemy to slay, whether communist or terrorist. In the neoconservative vision, a constant state of alarm must be fostered among the people to keep them focused on something greater than themselves – namely their great protector, the state. This is why the neoconservative reaction to the WikiLeaks revelations is so predictable: “See, we told you the world was a dangerous place,” goes the story. They claim we must prosecute – or even assassinate – those responsible for publishing the leaks. And we must redouble our efforts to police the world by spying and meddling better, with no more leaks.

    We should view the WikiLeaks controversy in the larger context of American foreign policy. Rather than worry about the disclosure of embarrassing secrets, we should focus on our delusional foreign policy. We are kidding ourselves when we believe spying, intrigue, and outright military intervention can maintain our international status as a superpower while our domestic economy crumbles in an orgy of debt and monetary debasement.
     
    #80     Dec 7, 2010