Why would you buy ETFs that don't pay dividends vs LEAPs?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by nooby_mcnoob, May 9, 2019.

  1. %%
    Glad to hear that on dividends;
    i like mine actually paid, unless its some tech stocks/ETFs-they pay none.:cool::cool:
     
    #11     May 9, 2019
  2. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    That only holds if you finance better than the OCC. ie you can put the extra cash to work at a higher rate than libor.
     
    #12     May 9, 2019
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  3. ETJ

    ETJ

    Not a lot to do with OCC. It's a comparison of the swap rate embedded in the option and that's a pricing issue - as opposed to what you could have earned on the money if you hadn't bought the stock. Let's say you buy a non-dividend paying stock and hold it for two years and it doesn't move. You can't compare to bills or swaps on that side, because you can't borrow at those rate except via an option purchase. Your opportunity loss if the stock does nothing ain't zero. What return would you require to lend against a risky asset? One could argue it would be the rate of the companies two-year paper if it exists. Two year swap is about 2.35% right now - a stock with a great balance sheet - remember you are looking at the opportunity cost of the entire purchase price - at best is 200bps over and it's locked in with the option.
     
    #13     May 9, 2019
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    When I said OCC, I was meaning the financing rate implied by the option which is like an average of the good banks financing.

    The option is going to assume you earn interest on the cash saved (the strike price). If you can’t earn that rate you will be slightly worse off.
     
    #14     May 10, 2019
  5. ETJ

    ETJ

    I understood the comment. The financing rate is embedded in the option price and as I mentioned it's superior to any rate I - as a user can finance at. Therefore the option is almost always superior as long as I'm willing to pay for the hedge of the embedded put. Plus opportunity cost isn't deductible whereas loss by erosion is if it's a taxable account.
     
    #15     May 10, 2019
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    The call price is higher because you are expected to earn interest on the capital savings. If you can’t lend at the implied interest rate then the call is worse. A typical retailer can’t lend nor borrow at the implied rate. Not that these are normally significant issues.
     
    #16     May 11, 2019