A college professor, an avowed atheist and active in the ACLU, was teaching his class. He shocked several of his students when he flatly stated that once and for all he was going to prove there was no God. Addressing the ceiling he shouted: "GOD, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes!!!!!" The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by. "I'm waiting God. If you're real, knock me off this platform!!!!" Again after 5 minutes, the professor taunted God, saying, "Here I am, God!!! I'm still waiting!!!" His count down got down to the last couple of minutes when a SEAL, just released from the Navy newly registered in the class after serving in Afghanistan and Iraq, walked up to the Professor. The SEAL hit the atheist professor full force in the face, and sent him tumbling from his lofty platform. The Professor was out cold, his students were stunned and shocked. They began to babble in confusion, while the SEAL nonchalantly took his seat in the front row and sat silent. The class looked at him and fell silent.....waiting. Eventually, the professor came to and was noticeably shaken. When the professor regained his senses and could speak he looked at the SEAL in the front row and asked; "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you do that?" The SEAL Replied, "God was really busy protecting America's soldiers, who are protecting your right to say stupid shit and act like an asshole. So God told me to take care of it for Him." Would this public conversation thru the entire thread right here even be possible in numerous other countries that don't have the motto: ONE NATION UNDER GOD
Actually Mormons have the lowest divorce rate among american christian denominations. Using your line of reasoning does that make Mormonism the truest religion?
No, that is a crooked question. My line of reasoning was not indicated by me. I was addressing your faulty reasoning. My line of reasoning would be that marriage is an institution. And the more likely you are to respect institutions the less likely you are to be divorced. Interestingly many born again's theology is anti institution - so this reasoning still holds.
An American college professor, an avowed atheist and active in the ACLU, was teaching his class in Bagdad. He shocked several of his students when he flatly stated that once and for all he was going to prove the Muslim belief was false and there was no Allah. Addressing the ceiling he shouted: "Allah, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes!!!!!" The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by. "I'm waiting Allah. If you're real, knock me off this platform!!!!" Again after 5 minutes, the professor taunted Allah, saying, "Here I am, Allah!!! I'm still waiting!!!" His count down got down to the last couple of minutes when a young Iraqi member of the shiite militia the Sadr Movement, walked up to the Professor. The Iraqi hit the atheist professor full force in the face, and sent him tumbling from his lofty platform. The Professor was out cold, his students were stunned and shocked. They began to babble in confusion, while the Iraqi nonchalantly took his seat in the front row and sat silent. The class looked at him and fell silent.....waiting. Eventually, the professor came to and was noticeably shaken. When the professor regained his senses and could speak he looked at the Iraqi in the front row and asked; "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you do that?" The Iraqi Replied, "Allah was really busy protecting insurgents, who are fighting against people like you who say stupid shit and act like an asshole. So Allah told me to take care of it for Him." Let's see, All of European countries, more than half of Asian countries, most of Amarican countries, Australia, New Zealand, a handful of African countries. That's about more than half of the world. There is an old Chinese proverb about a toad sitting in a deep well...
Your posts and that statement is what is intellectually dishonest jem. You often scream for context and so I have described how neither free will nor free choice are free in essence, in practice or in religion. Now you don't want religious context in a thread about religion. Your only argument is to ignore it all and rely on - free will and free choice are equal according to the dictionary. Not that they are possible , but only that the dictionary says they equate. The dictionary equates slavery with being addicted to a specified influence. That does not mean they are both automatically present with each other or that they will equate when one or either is not the case. I think you are the one who needs to grow up.
stu, the adult and his idea of lively exchange: stu: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." jem: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." stu: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." jem: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." stu: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." jem: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." stu: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." jem: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." stu: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up." jem: "I think you are the one who needs to grow up."
What we have quoted above is the work of a madman who does not accept that the foundation of an intellectual argument is agreed upon definitions.
jem, you do have to admit that neither one of you are making arguments or points any more, just name venting on each other... I don't believe stu is capable of doing anything else but be condescending and pompous, but what is your excuse?
zz always resorts to childish trolling flaming and absurdity whenever he has no argument left. You jem refuse and ignore the very definitions and context you demand and resort to insult and abuse because you have no argument left But both of you do those things for the same reason. The persistant need for some starnge reason to defend the indefensible.