"Why won't God heal amputees?"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by lkh, Jun 9, 2006.

  1. stu

    stu

    I only asked a question too! Why the "venom" now ? I was interested if you thought our exchange fell into that area, that's all
     
    #731     Sep 25, 2006
  2. Just matching you blow for blow...

    You know, "lively" exchange...

     
    #732     Sep 25, 2006
  3. lkh

    lkh

    That is simply not true and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the scientific process works. Did you by chance go to a church school?
    Any scientist who came to a conclusion based on faith or bias would have to somehow present his ideas to a skeptical group of fellow scientists to be peer reviewed. His conclusions would quickly be shot down in public if they were not able to be backed up by a repeatable means of testing.
     
    #733     Sep 25, 2006
  4. lkh

    lkh

    I have a better question. Why does god if he exists allow thousands of years of hatred and bloodshed over the argument over who he is and what he really wants? Why does this god not just tell us in person?
    If you really think about it i suspect you will know the answer.
     
    #734     Sep 25, 2006
  5. He did tell us in person....He sent his son jesus. But people (like you) don't believe it.
     
    #735     Sep 25, 2006
  6. lkh

    lkh

    Half of the world does not believe that story. The bible story makes your god a bumbling idiot. He has failed 3 times to provide enough evidence to make people take him seriously.
    First he creates man and tells him not to eat the apple. Man disobeys and is cast out. Failure 1. Then god decides to murder every person on earth except eight to make his point. Man still does not believe. Failure 2. Then god decides to kill himself (jesus)on the cross to make a point. Man still does not believe. Failure 3.
    Maybe god should just get on tv and prove his point to the whole world at once.
    Carefully read the next proof. It touches on this subject.
     
    #736     Sep 25, 2006
  7. lkh

    lkh

    Proof #35 - Notice Jesus' myopia

    If you think about Jesus, you realize that his biggest problem is an incredible case of myopia. We can see this myopia quite clearly as we look back at Jesus' time on earth. The obvious question that any intelligent person is forced to ask is this:

    If Jesus is God, then why didn't Jesus use his omniscience and omnipotence to actually do something magnificent and beautiful on earth rather than squandering his "power" as he does in the Bible?
    Think about all the problems that Jesus could have solved. At the very least, Jesus could have transcribed passages into the Bible that would have ended sexism, racism and slavery forever.

    As the simplest example, think of all of the suffering that slavery has caused. Millions upon millions of people have suffered through the bondage and the remarkable brutality of slavery because Jesus and his Bible fully support it. If Jesus had simply made a clear statement -- "Slavery is forbidden, free all the slaves" -- he could have prevented all of that suffering. Yet Jesus did nothing of the sort. Instead, Jesus endorsed slavery.

    In the same way, Jesus could have chosen women to be six of his apostles and made several speeches on the topic of women's equality. By doing that, he would have put a huge dent in sexism. Because Jesus did not do that, we still see the effects of Jesus' sexism in our society today.

    At a larger level, if Jesus were God, he could have performed so many real miracles. He could have, for example, eliminated smallpox and a host of other diseases that science is busy eliminating today. Jesus could have given the people of Israel the knowledge that they would need to start a technological society and raise themselves above the primitive living conditions of the day. Jesus could have taught the Israelites about metallurgy, chemistry, biology, physics, manufacturing, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc., etc., etc. He could have also taught them how to responsibly use these technologies to solve the problems of pollution and habitat destruction that so often accompany them today.

    Jesus could have made clear statements to deter nuclear proliferation.

    The argument could be made that Jesus did try to solve poverty when he said that you should sell everything you own and give it to the poor. However, in saying this, Jesus showed a complete misunderstanding of human nature. Do you know of anyone who has sold all their possessions and given the money to the poor? As a result, half the people on planet earth today live in abject poverty, supporting themselves on less than $3 per day. Instead, Jesus could have taught mankind to effectively share wealth so that the immense problem of global poverty that we see today would have been solved long ago. Jesus could have also laid down a template for governance that would have ended monarchies, dictatorial regimes and warlords forever.

    Most importantly, Jesus could have made his message so clear, and the proof of his godliness so obvious, that all six billion people on the planet would have aligned with him, rather than fragmenting into dozens of bizarre and often warring religions. By doing this, Jesus could have completely prevented the Crusades and 9/11, among many other things.

    Jesus, if he actually were God, could have done so much. He could have prevented massive amounts of human suffering with his words and deeds. Instead, he did none of this. To any rational person, these problems make it painfully obvious that Jesus was a normal human being. The fact that Jesus was a normal human being renders the entire New Testament of the Bible meaningless, and in the process shows us that the God of the Bible is completely imaginary.
     
    #737     Sep 25, 2006

  8. This is why its hard to debate with you becuase you ask a question, don't like the answere and give nasty and rude remarks..1/2 the wordl doesn't beleive....but 1/2 the world does..

    the failings of man are the reasons for above...but that is why we have free will...other wise, what would be the purpose in lving?

    but let's go back to the question and the answer again:

    Quote from lkh:

    I have a better question. Why does god if he exists allow thousands of years of hatred and bloodshed over the argument over who he is and what he really wants? Why does this god not just tell us in person?
    If you really think about it i suspect you will know the answer.
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    He did tell us in person....He sent his son jesus. But people (like you) don't believe it.
     
    #738     Sep 25, 2006
  9. stu

    stu

    ...We don't have free will.

    Your will cannot be free until you can have all the detail on something and decide any outcome from it without repercussion. We don't actually have free will, but there is obviously purpose in living.
    He didn't tell us in person, we would need to actually meet him for him to do that. We haven't.
     
    #739     Sep 26, 2006
  10. fhl

    fhl

    Where did stu learn the type of logic he used in the above post?
     
    #740     Sep 26, 2006