No avoidance here TM , you just seem incapable of comprehending this point whilst you try to rationalize the contradiction in what you described as your religion, and what you say the jesus love is. My love for my family is unconditional unlike the jesus love you showed. To choose either my wife or my children, one or the other, against each other is what the jesus love teaches but is not what I would or need to do. Such a choice would not be anything remotely describable as a "choice". How would you know how to judge that, when you are dealing in contradiction and an unconscionable affection for a phantom God concept, over and above love for your children?
so your going to avoid my question.....that's ok, its a tough question to grasp. Even as you try and twist and turn everything i say. I will make it simple. I said God should be priority 1. family 2,job 3....However, part of being human is being selfish, self centered and sinful. We are not perfect. Hence, sometimes I get loaded with the boys instead of being with my family. ( ie. family last, me first) I tried to put this in a way that you would understand, just like Jesus speaks in parables so the people can understand, but you are too busy picking apart the words to hear the message, Ie. The seeds that fall inot the cracks of the earth, the thicket and some on fertile soil....You would be busy arguing about whether seeds can or cannot grow in thickets or cracks...you take it literally...Just like when christ talks about turning families against each other....you just don't get it. so here is the question I have: When you get married, you take a vow of love and trust that you will lvoe this person above all others....while that sounds like the truth and MOST people will say they love their wives over all else, human nature will make that untrue...whether its loving your children more or in some cases falling in love with another and leaving your spouse.....so when i say God1, family 2nd....I am admitting that although that is my goal and what I hope to achieve, its not always the case... So if you had to chose between your wife and your kids....what would it be? sayign i love both uncoditionally is a copout and most likely a lie becuase if you caught your wife banging away with a neighbor, you would probably not lover her unconditionally.
The species that the girl was. I don't know about anyone else, but to me that screams evolution.. So where did those damn apes comes from?
The one that isn't as old as the one you posted haha I can't remember which was which. Just google the species type that is posted in your post. That is what comes up.
Proof #33 - Contemplate the crucifixion Have you ever thought about how bizarre the crucifixion story is? Imagine the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe sitting on his magnificent throne in heaven. He looks down onto earth and says to himself: Those evil humans down on earth. I hate what they are doing. All this sin... Since I am all-knowing I know exactly what the humans are doing and I understand exactly why they commit each sin. Since I created the humans in my own image and personally programmed human nature into their brains, I am the direct author of all of this sin. The instant I created them I knew exactly what would happen with every single human being right down to the nanosecond level for all eternity. If I didn't like how it was going to turn out, I could have simply changed them when I created them. And since I am perfect, I know exactly what I am doing. But ignore all that. I hate all these people doing exactly what I perfectly designed them to do and knew they would do from the moment I created them. I HATE IT! I tried killing all the humans and animals once in the flood. That certainly did not fix the problem. So here's what I am going to do. I will artificially inseminate a virgin. She will give birth to an incarnated version of me. The humans will eventually crucify and kill the incarnated me. That, finally, will make me happy. Yes, sending myself down and having the humans crucify me -- that will satisfy me. I feel much better now. It makes no sense, does it? Why would an all-knowing being need to have humans kill himself (Jesus is God, after all) to make himself happy? Especially since it is a perfect God who set the whole thing in motion exactly the way he wanted it? The whole story of the crucifixion is absurd from top to bottom if you actually stop to think about it. If you believe the story of Jesus, Jesus clearly knew that he is God. In John chapter 14, verse 8 we find this: Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father." So it makes you wonder about Jesus' famous lamenation in Matthew 27:46: About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"âwhich means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Since Jesus is God, what he really must have meant is: "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken me?" Which of course makes absolutely no sense. The reason why the crucifixion makes no sense is because God is imaginary.
When I give my answer to your question, I am not avoiding it I am answering it. Is that simple enough for you? You maybe don't like the answers because they trample on the rather astonishingly simple contradiction which is supposed to be at the core of your faith as you describe it. You have shown Jesus's love is both conditional and despises people. You say your devotion to the Jesus God that is supposed to bring that kind of corrupted love, should be a priority over and above your love for family and children. But you try to offset or attempt to excuse that unconscionable prioritization as I consider it to be, by saying you don't do that really, because you are only human. Because you are only human, why would you make that prioritization in the first place when you have the ability to evaluate more carefully what it is you are putting above your children? Trying to excuse the hate Jesus speaks because it is in parables or riddles does not change the fact that "Jesus talks" contradictorily and hatefully. The love I hold for my family is not contradictory or hateful, so how come Jesus's is? You have a very childish approach to this. I am not sure if you are trying to be funny, argumentative or just stupid. It is not love which would make you "choose". When God makes you choose itself above your family and children, that is not a loving thing to do period. If someone or something such as Jesus requires you "choose", it is not a loving someone or something that would do that. Ridiculous notions of your invisible friend which you have described as being hateful and which despises people, brings a sword and sets people against each other, by definition alone will not come anywhere near the value of unconditional love.
Proof #34 - Examine your health insurance policy Here is a question: If God answers medical prayers, then why do you need health insurance? Simply think it through. If what Jesus says about prayer in the Bible is true, and if all the stories about medical miracles in inspirational literature are true, and if your belief in God and the power of prayer is true, and if God has a plan for you, then why do you ever need to visit a doctor or go to the hospital? Why don't you simply pray for a cure whenever you get sick? The reason I ask this is because the statement that Jesus makes in Mark 11:24 is so simple: Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. So is what he says in John 14:14: If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. There is this statement in Psalms chapter 41: 1 Blessed is he who has regard for the weak; the Lord delivers him in times of trouble. 2 The Lord will protect him and preserve his life; he will bless him in the land and not surrender him to the desire of his foes. 3 The Lord will sustain him on his sickbed and restore him from his bed of illness. In Mark 16, Jesus talks about the laying on of hands: 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover. But even more remarkable is James 5:15, where the Bible says: And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. These are powerful verses. Keep in mind that these are the words of an all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect God. And James 5:15 is completely unambiguous. If these words are true and perfect, it seems like a faithful person should have no need for health insurance. What reason would a perfect God have for making false statements in the Bible? Yet, by owning health insurance, you demonstrate to yourself that something in these verses is amiss. In addition, the fact that you have health insurance indicates that you have no faith in God's Plan for you. Doesn't it? Let's look at an example. Praying for a cure When people are sick, they often pray to God for a cure. This is especially true in the case of profound, life-threatening illnesses and chronic diseases. We've all heard the stories of amazing cures and medical miracles that have come through prayer. For example, here is a story from a housewife in Santa Monica: "I went to the doctor, and he told me that I had cancer of the uterus. One solution, according to my doctor, was a radical hysterectomy. But he wanted to try chemotherapy first, just in case. For me, my only goal in life was to have children, and I could not let the doctor make me sterile with a hysterectomy. That very day I got down on my knees and I prayed to God for a miracle. I read every passage of the Bible that had anything to do with healing, and I wrote them all down on index cards that I carried with me everywhere. I recited the verses, and I prayed whenever I had a spare minute -- Whether I was waiting at a stop light or for my husband to come home for dinner, I was praying and reciting those verses. And you know what? The good Lord cured me. I started on chemotherapy. At the very next visit, my doctor noticed a change. At my next visit he said, 'Let's postpone the surgery and see what happens.' A year later he could no longer detect the tumor, and he declared me cured. I knew in my heart -- it was the power of those scripture verses. God answered my prayers and cured me." If you subscribe to Guideposts magazine you can read a new story like this just about every month. Even big city newspapers and national magazines report on these stories now. There are two questions that we should ask based on this story: Why did our housewife from Santa Monica need chemotherapy if God was going to cure her anyway? God is all-powerful, so his cure should be instant and free of side-effects. On the flip side, if "God's plan" were for her to have a hysterectomy, what point is there in her praying? God's plan comes from an all-powerful being and it is going to run its course no matter what we do. What good is it to pray in such a situation? If you think about these two questions and how they interact with each other, you will realize something important. If God exists, and if God answers prayers, and if God has a plan for each of us, then there is no point in ever visiting a doctor. Owning health insurance is a complete waste of money. The reason is easy to see: Either God will or will not answer any prayer for healing. If he does answer the prayer, there is no need for a doctor. If he does not, then God's plan is for you to be sick. Since God is omnipotent, no amount of doctoring will change the outcome of God's plan. Seeing a doctor is a waste of time. Understanding Jesus If you are a believer and if you have your Bible nearby, we can look at your health care policy from another angle. Turn to Matthew 6:25-34. Jesus says: Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. [If you would like to read a theological analysis of Jesus' statement, turn to this page.] Jesus' statement is utterly clear: "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow." Yet health insurance is a physical manifestation of worry. You buy health insurance because you are worried about your health tomorrow. The question to ask yourself, therefore, is simple: If you are a believer, why you need health insurance? Or, for that matter, car insurance, life insurance or home owner's insurance? Why are you worrying about your health in the future when: A) Jesus has told you specifically not to worry (Matthew 6:34), and B) Jesus has promised to cure any illness that arises (James 5:15)? In addition, why are you worrying about money, which is what health insurance is all about, when in Matthew 6:19 Jesus specifically says: Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. In Matthew 19:21 Jesus goes even further, telling you to sell everything and give the money to the poor. Obviously he intended for you to give up your health insurance policy and give its monthly payment to the poor as well. And then there is Poverbs 3:5-8: Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil. This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones. Why do you own a health insurance policy when you are supposed to be putting your trust in the Lord, who will bring health to your body? Everything the Bible says is very clear. Why are you ignoring everything that it tells you to do? Here is a possibility for you to consider: you are completely ignoring the Bible because, in your heart, you know that God is imaginary. What other reason is there for you, as a believer, to ignore God so profoundly by owning health insurance?
"You have a very childish approach to this." stu, the adult telling everyone who doesn't agree with him that they are childish. Classic stuism... Watching stu throw his tantrums calling everyone who doesn't agree with his world view "childish." Too too too funny....
ZZzz, the clear minded who got his bottom spanked in another thread, works out his resentments here....an entirely different thread, entirely different topic. Nice job ZZzz! How very, very clear minded of you. ROTFLMAO...