1) You ask for one shred of evidence. 2) I provide a shred of evidence ( shroud of turin, disciples and first hand witnesses) 3) You say you do not approve of my evidence of cloth. ....but im being childish?????? I provide a shred of evidence and you have now taken the stance that only LKH can decide what is acceptable or not as evidence.....so how can one argue with somebody who is judge and juror and asking open ended question of which they will not accept any answer because their mind is already made up?
Interesting study in the Journal of Religion and Society by Gregory Paul. It looked at the correlation of the degree of secularism and antisocial behavior. The stunning conclusion: The more religious a society is the more anti social it is. The least religious societies had the lowest level of antisocial behavior. Countries studied included: Australia, Canada, Denmark, Great Britain, France,Germany, Holland, Ireland, Japan, Switzerland, Norway, Portugal,Austria, Spain, Italy, United States, Sweden, New Zealand. The most religious nation, the USA, had the highest level of anti social behavior. Antisocial data included: murders, suicides, STD's, and unwanted pregnancies. To see it: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html#figures Seneca
The childish part is this" "whatever happened to Pluto??????LOL..". You try to deflect your failure to come up with credible evidence outside the bible that Jesus even existed with childish strawman arguments. "2) I provide a shred of evidence ( shroud of turin, disciples and first hand witnesses)" The shroud of turin fails as evidence because almost all scholars say it is a fake and even if it were real there is no evidence that the man was Jesus. Your other evidence comes from the bible so is excluded since the request was for evidence outside the bible. It would seem to me you should be interested in actually researching this subject. After all you claim you are in posession of "fundamental truth". Dont you think it is strange that no one has ever found any evidence that Jesus existed? If i were to believe that i posessed fundamental truth i would at least want to know what the truth was. I will save you the trouble. In my search for answers i have done extensive research on this subject: There is no outside evidence that Jesus existed outside the bible writings. The closest thing we have as any kind of evidence are the writings of a man called Josephus written about 60 years after Jesus was thought to have died. It is second hand information since Josephus is simply saying he has heard of a man called Jesus. He has no direct knowledge and much of what he wrote about Jesus has been proven a forgery added by later christians to "fit" the story: http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/josephus-jesus.html Josephus' Testimony to Jesus (Testimonium Flavianum) Josephus, Antiquities 18. 63-64 The words in ALL CAPS are likely interpolations added by Christian copyists over the centuries in an attempt to make Josephus support faith in Jesus as the Christ. We have only three Greek manuscripts of this section of Josephus, all from the 11th century. These phrases, added rather clumsily, appear to be rather obvious additions even to the modern reader in English. Once restored to its more original reading Josephus offers us a most fascinating reference to Jesus. Indeed, it is the earliest reference to Jesus outside the New Testament, and its rather matter of fact, neutral reporting, makes it all the more valuable to the historian. It is worth noting that in his earlier work, The Jewish War, written shortly after the revolt under the auspices of the Emperor Vespasian, he mentioned neither Jesus, nor John the Baptist, nor James, while in Antiquities, written in the early 90s C.E., he mentions all three. For an excellent discussion of this text see John Meier, A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus (Doubleday, 1991), Vol I, pp. 57-88. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day (Antiquities 18:63-64). Professor Shlomo Pines found a different version of Josephus testimony in an Arabic version of the tenth century. It has obviously not been interpolated in the same way as the Christian version circulating in the West: At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon their loyalty to him. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive. Accordingly they believed that he was the Messiah, concerning whom the Prophets have recounted wonders.
Your the reason my kids will never step foot in a church. All the church does is brainwash. Tell me what makes Jeesus so different than Allah, and why we should believe in him instead. Is it because the bible was the first mass produced printed book? So so many people had access to it. Is that what sets the bible and our main homeboy jeesus apart from that punk Allah? All that god/jeesus is.. Is hope. Hope that when you die there is still something to look forward to. Hope that once you are dead; everything you worked for, the good life you lived, isn't just over. But that is the sole reason we have children. Live on threw your children, not threw some book that our less educated elders have been forced to rely on do to lack of knowledge. We now have the knowledge that prooves such a thing is not real. We now have that knowledge. But some people just refuse to acknowledge that I guess. But all is well. I suggest everyone simply lives their lives to the fullest the way they most enjoy it, because there are very few things that are certain, and whether god/jeeses or even allah is real, well we just can't be certain. So take life for what it is, not what it could be. Religion just may be the biggest hoax known to man kind.
Proof #31 - Understand that religion is superstition Let's say that you were to create a far-flung news network, and you somehow had the capacity to observe all of the inexplicable tragedy that occurs on Earth each day: all of the murders, all of the car wrecks all of the rapes all of the mutilations all of the torture all the miscarriages and stillbirths all of the disease all of the starvation all of the destruction all of the terrorism Let's say you had a news feed that delivered this all to you in real time. Just ten minutes with this news feed would be unbearable. Thousands of tragic, heartwrenching events would impinge themselves upon you every minute. It would make you vomit over and over and over again until you passed out in exhaustion and despair. In other words, the amount of gut-wrenching, anguished tragedy in our world is unspeakable. Meanwhile, there is a housewife in Pasadena who firmly believes that God answered her prayer this morning to remove the mustard stain from her favorite blouse. She prayed to God to help with the stain, and after she washed it the stain was gone. Praise Jesus! There are tens of millions of people in the United States who firmly believe that God is personally helping them each day with their trivial prayers like this. They believe that they have a personal relationship with God, that God hears their prayers each day, and that God has time to reach down and remove the mustard molecules one by one. They believe it with all of their hearts. It makes you wonder: If God has the time and the will to answer these trivial prayers, then why does he have no time for the millions of other massively serious problems that arise on earth every day? Simply look at the world we live in. All around us we have murderers, rapists, robbers, child molesters, terrorists, etc... How do they do their deeds? If God is all-knowing and God answers prayers, then we have to believe that: God watches them as they murder, rape, molest and terrorize other people millions of times a day, but he does nothing to stop them. God watches the victims as they are being murdered, raped, molested and terrorized, but he does nothing to help them. God completely ignores the prayers of the planet to eliminate murder, rape, child molestation and terrorism and allows these atrocities to continue unabated. According to the Standard Model of God, God is an omniscient, all-powerful, all-loving being who answers prayers. Imagine God sitting on his magnificent throne in heaven looking down upon Earth, seeing every detail. God speaks: "Look at all of those praying people getting tortured in that death camp. Excellent! I won't do anything to stop that. And look at that little girl down there being raped and murdered. Perfect! She is praying like mad, and so is her mother, but I won't do anything to stop that. And there are three terrorists preparing to blow up a church and kill 1,500 people who are saying the Lord's Prayer to me right now. Outstanding! I won't do anything to stop that. How wonderful it is that 1,000 prayerful people will die of starvation today in Ethiopia. I love it! I won't do anything to stop that. Oh⦠and there's little Suzy Jankins praying that I remove that pimple from her nose for her big date with Chad tomorrow. Let me go help Suzy right nowâ¦" Do you believe in a God who acts like this? Of course not. If you believe that God is specifically reaching down from heaven to answer your trivial prayer to remove a zit or to wash out a mustard stain or to help you find your lost keys, while at the same time God is allowing 27,000 children to die of starvation each day by specifically ignoring their prayers, then your God is insane. Look at Proof #6 and Proof #22 to see just how insane your god is. If you are a typical Christian, however, you are just like our Pasadena housewife. You say dozens of little prayers every day. You may pray for 20 trivial things today: Pray for your car to start in the morning. Pray for traffic to be light so you get to work on time. Pray that you don't get fired for the mistake you made yesterday. Pray that the coffee stain on your purse comes out. Pray that it doesn't rain. Pray that the price of a stock has gone up. Pray that your computer doesn't crash. Pray that your son got a decent grade on his math test. Pray that there's enough money in your checking account. Pray that the guy you went out with on Saturday calls you. Pray that your mother in law cancels her trip for the weekend. Pray for there to be an available washing machine at the Laundromat when you get there. Pray that your car passes inspection. Pray that they have your size in the shoes you are thinking about buying at the mall. Pray that the envelope you are opening contains a check rather than a bill. Pray that your cat didn't pee on the new sofa. Pray for your baby not to wake you up tonight screaming so you can get some sleep. Pray that you have the winning bid for that camera on EBay. Pray that they have the video you want at the video store tonight. Pray that your team wins the game on Sunday. What happens? Some of your prayers would get "answered," some would not. If you are a believer, you handle each little prayer in the following way: If something nice happens, you attribute that to God -- he answered your prayer and is "looking out" for you. If you pray for something and it does not happen, or if something bad happens, you rationalize that it is part of "God's plan" . It is "his will" that this bad event happens. In Proof #6 we demonstrated that God's Plan is ridiculous. So what is actually happening? An unbiased observer looks at the same good and bad events and sees them for what they are -- random events. God has nothing to do with them. To an unbiased observer, it is obvious that religion is nothing but superstition. If you are a believer, you can prove to yourself that they are random events. Tomorrow, instead of praying about everything, simply watch 20 trivial things happen without praying. Some will work out, some will not. There will be no difference. The act of praying about them does not change the outcome in any way. If you were to statisically analyse your prayers, it would become obvious to you that every "answered prayer" is a coincidence. The belief in prayer is just like any superstition. Walking under a ladder is not "bad luck". Neither is breaking a mirror. Neither is seeing a black cat. Statistics prove that a broken mirror has zero effect on your life. In the same way, statistics prove that God never answers prayers. The dictionary defines the word "superstition" in this way: An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome. [ref] Prayer is rank superstition, nothing more. People who believe in the power of prayer are no different than people who believe in the power of crystal balls, horoscopes or lucky rabbits feet. Prayer is scientifically proven to be meaningless. The reason why there is so much suffering in this world, and the reason why a statistical analysis of your trivial prayers always shows them to be complete coincidences, is because God is imaginary. The belief in God is pure superstition.
do you believe in love? Do you love your children or is it just superstition, hope, fear ect.???? BTW....you asked what the difference is between Jesus and Allah....Thats a very good question. I have not read up on their beliefs, However, If you ever read the new Testament....Jesus was amazing in his forgiveness, love and more importantly, he was against many traditional religion beliefs at the time ( ie Hebrew traditions that he was raised on)
On reading the New Testament, jesus is supoosed to have uttered this about love and family.. Matthew 10:34-36 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn `a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use." - Galileo Galilei
Ya see, you are one of the reasons jesus spoke in parables....because you can't understand......your god should come first....ten commandments? and what did jesus tell his disciples was the greatest of all commandments??? BTW...Glad you quoted galileo...he was very strong in his beliefs contrary to popular opinion and was not beheaded or jailed in a dungeon like it has been depicted....I read a grate book on the letters exchanged between him and daughter (a nun btw, by his choosing)
Really? I do not think so: (Verse 17) 'Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfil. (Verse 18) For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (Verse 19) Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19 - NKJV).