"Why won't God heal amputees?"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by lkh, Jun 9, 2006.

  1. stu

    stu

    OT lkh, out of order..sorry.
     
    #441     Aug 18, 2006
  2. "God cannot escape from the need of that darned existence stuff ....even conceptually."

    The flaw is your thinking that God is somehow dependent on, subordinate to, or separate from the concept of existence.

    God is Existence itself, God cannot cease to exist, God is eternal, no beginning, no end.

    The material world is such that we can imagine an object existing in time and space, then alternatively, we can imagine the same object no longer existing in time and space. This is because the material world is spatial and temporal.

    God is neither spatial nor temporal, God is unlimited and eternal.

    So any concept of God needing some foundation of a pre-existing "existence" upon which He exists, the way material objects require material time and space to exist, is flawed thinking.


     
    #442     Aug 18, 2006

  3. So if God's eternal presence is manifested as, say, an eternally expanding and collapsing universe and nothing more, then atheists and theists could theoretically both be correct at the same time, depending on how you slice it. Maybe there are enough quark shifts in each big crunch to make the new bang's results vary each time, keeping the G-man entertained. Maybe he only intervenes in every eighth universe, or when he is bored.

    This hypothesis making just as much sense (if not more) as the one suggesting that God intervenes regularly and deliberately in people's lives (the statistical evidence of which seems to be nil, imagination notwithstanding).

    And thus the value of long-winded semantic slugfests over slippery terms like existence is... what. I'm not seeing it.
     
    #443     Aug 18, 2006
  4. From a limited perspective, from a relative perspective, there are limited and relative truths.

    The 6 blind men who each described the elephant, were speaking the truth of their own limited experience.

    "suggesting that God intervenes regularly and deliberately in people's lives (the statistical evidence of which seems to be nil, imagination notwithstanding)."

    Statistical evidence? Unless you know the entire story, how could you possible reach "statistical" evidence?

     
    #444     Aug 18, 2006

  5. What, no LOL?

    And that, my liege, is how we know the earth to be banana shaped.
     
    #445     Aug 18, 2006
  6. Non sequitur.

    Defend your claim that we have statictical evidence that God does not intervene in people's lives.

     
    #446     Aug 18, 2006

  7. One, you misquote what I said. It is a distinct lack of statistical evidence for a positive assertion--that God intervenes in meaningful ways. Not the other way round.

    Two, I have no desire to wade into the semantic relativist kiddie pool with you. My post was a tongue-in-cheek wake up call to others on this thread, who are already in it.
     
    #447     Aug 18, 2006
  8. Lack of statistical evidence of a positive assertion does not falsify the assertion.

     
    #448     Aug 18, 2006
  9. bsmeter

    bsmeter





    The concept of "time" only exists in ones mind, because we observe our experiencing of 3 dimensional existence linearly.

    Otherwise time itself does'nt exist. as an example, Space can be bent so that the linear experience ( "time") of moving from point A to point B becomes a function of how much you can bend the space between points A and B.
     
    #449     Aug 18, 2006
  10. You're the idiot who founded NAMBLA.
     
    #450     Aug 18, 2006