Why Trading is so Hard

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by John9999, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. PistolPete

    PistolPete

    And before the "educated " come blurting out win rate is'nt everything , its not and other side of expectancy Risk/Reward is still important but given the above WR rates higher , Simple maths . Trade accurately , trade quickly and trade frequently and the above will be understood

    2 systems with the same expectancy but one with a 40% WR and the other with a 60% WR , the 60 will have a smoother curve ... FACTS dont they $&% up fallacies

    and for the " educated " a smooth curve has smaller DDs and reduced ROR
     
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    #81     Oct 30, 2018
  2. PistolPete

    PistolPete

    AND trading is hard because you need to know all this shit IF you want to rise above the mediocre who just " eek " out a living
     
    #82     Oct 30, 2018
  3. schweiz

    schweiz

    Most people don't understand that. They just test quickly some indicators and want fast results.
    You need to go slowly and analyze every trade, why he is successful or why he is not, if the entry was, good as wel as the exit, why you took the trade or why you missed him...

    I see many people program something quickly, run it on the computer and when the result pops up they try to optimize the parameters to have the best result based on past. No wonder most of them never make money.
    To know the "WHY?" you should analyze everything on the bottom level of it. A complete drilldown.
     
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    #83     Oct 30, 2018
  4. schweiz

    schweiz

    If that is the level you want to discuss on you will have to find somebody else.
    I am sure you are not a loser in trading but you are when it concerns ego.
    If however you would still be trying to survive in the market, your kind of reaction shows where your problem is.
    As a number of people liked my posting it is clear that I am not the type of person you insinuate, as they would also be studs...

    PS: I live indeed on the border of the Mediterranean sea, but not in Nice.

    It is Jessica Alba, not Jessika. I checked it on her passport, so I am sure.
     
    #84     Oct 30, 2018
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  5. schweiz

    schweiz

    50 trades is not a "subset" anymore. I never have 3 losses in a row. This is a result of the way I trade; if I have a losing trade, the next ones I manage in another way till I recovered my loss of the previous one. After that happened I go back in "normal mode".
    Making no money in 50 trades means you have no clue or you are just gambling. However gambling would give you statistically more winning trades then your "trading".
    Small but very important detail is that I am a daytrader. Things can be different for LT traders, but even then, 50 trades and still losing money...

    PS: read posting #80 from PistolPete. You might still learn something although you think you know everything already.
     
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    #85     Oct 30, 2018
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  6. sle

    sle

    Well, assuming equal long term expectation, a high frequency strategy that has a win rate of 40% would have a drastically smoother curve vs a medium frequency strategy that has a win rate of 60%. That too is a fact :)

    Nobody is disputing that it's better to be rich and famous than sick and poor. However, people make money in the markets in all sorts of ways. Many UHF players have win rates of 51% and plenty of them have intraday stretches of 1000s of losing trades. Many vol strategies (the relative value ones, not just "selling premium") have winning rates of 40%. For example, I'd rather add a strategy with lower win rate, but higher pnl/tradevalue and/or better distributional characteristics.

    Assuming symmetric distribution, right?

    Oh, I certainly have plenty to learn, from people here and otherwise. However I doubt the sources of that knowledge will be you or PistolPete.
     
    #86     Oct 30, 2018
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  7. schweiz

    schweiz


    Your statement just confirmed that you are one of those who thinks he knows everything. If you cannot see the value in other people's postings (because of missing intelligence, feeling of supremacy or being full of yourself) you assume they have no value. That's how you miss opportunities. It is also know that these people do not realize it themselves. Vicious circle.

    You will surely not get it from me as I never post personal trading knowledge here. Just basic things.
     
    #87     Oct 30, 2018
  8. volpri

    volpri

    Win rate is VERY important. So is average win as opposed to average loss.
     
    #88     Oct 30, 2018
  9. schweiz

    schweiz

    Win rate is VERY important if average win is bigger then average loss.
     
    #89     Oct 30, 2018
  10. PistolPete

    PistolPete

    More than some
    Would you like fries with that
    eek
    Something you clearly struggle with , Fries ?
     
    #90     Oct 30, 2018