This has to be the very best way to explain how our tax system works to the American Idol TV viewers out there. If you don't think the wealthy are sick of paying their "FAIR" (bullshit term to justify over charging) share then why did congress pay laws saying the US govt will still tax you even if you give up your citizenship?? Answer for you tax and spenders, because so many were sick of giving up huge amounts of wealth to the idiots in DC. Passing Econ101 and 201 should be required to be elected. Better yet, repeal the 16th Amendment and cut the spending. We (including the poor) would be better off in the long run
Well, we share things in common. Family well being is the #1, but that's not what Uncle Sam thinks. As I said, the biggest expense is defense budget. The US spends billions in Iraq, and spends trillions to maintain the most sophisticated army in the world. Every corner of the world, there is US presence. If majority of the US citizen thinks the family is the # 1, then they should vote for a president that cuts back defense budget and increases spending on health care. The riches country in the world but its citizen can't get free health care. It is rather ironic. That's exactly the reason I think the riches should be tax'd more. There is nothing wrong with my logic. I don't know where your argument is from. (we agree the same thing that family is teh most important, but it seems you don't agree that riches should be tax'd more).
That's exactly the reason I think the riches should be tax'd more ------------------------- If I ate Ramen noodles every day and worked 18 hours a day to get rich and you called me a chump, why do you want to tax my effort? I took the risk. I'll buy you Ramen noodles if you work 18 hours a day.
You act as if the rich are the only beneficiaries of the defense spending. I don't want to get into a whole thing about it, I agree we spend way too much on defense (and tons of other places), but it's not just the rich who benefit. Why exactly do you think the riches should be taxed more? I assume it's because of the only other attempted justification people give- because they can afford it? When you add up all of the benefits that the poor and middle class get compared to what they pay, it's not all that bad a deal. The OP is a bit corny, but there's more truth to it than your example. It's a crap system on many levels.
I agree that we do not need a world wide empire. with that being said take a look at were the money does go. over 70% of the budget is NON military related. Wanna see some govt health care in action? Talk to some vets and see how their 'free' health care is. (clue:long lines, long waiting periods, and you have to drive by lots of private clinics and hospitals because in SO many cases the VA hospitals are not close) If you think health care is expensive now, wait to you see the cost when its free!!! (not my original words but sooo correct) Its not a surprise that every single place that has "free" health care has two sets of providers, public and private. guess which one you want to be going to? This whole argument is BS anyway. Medicare and Medicaid have BK'd us anyway. Just a matter of about 15 years from now. Johnsons great society proves once again that the better the program sounds out of DC the worse it is.
Well, I said that my example is way over simplified. The OP went to one extreme, so I went to another extreme. just food for thoughts. I usually don't argue often whether a system is fair or not, as I believe everyone has his/her own interest. I like to find the best way to utilize the existing system. I actually merely pointing out the OP post neglected some aspects, but probably was misunderstood by some of you.(my fault though, as I intentionally went to another extreme.) Case closed for me. I will not participate this thread anymore. Hope some of you guys know that things could be viewed from another point.
Well if we cut government by just 20% we all can afford to pay for excellent healthcare except for a small percentage. This is without a GOV run healthcare system. Just name one government program that works above an efficiency level. Oh by the way, we are not the richest country in the world we just have the #1 credit card.
you're so far gone, I don't think anyone here is even able to save you. Being the "genius" you are....I can't see why you would even use this example. It proves you probably don't know what you're talking about. That is NOT a representation of how things work. Beer has marginal utility. The tax system is designed in a different manner, based a bit more on consumption and negative effects of it. Back to the book man.
This thread is bring out all the socialists and commies on ET plus the many having problem making money from the market.