Why Some Scientists Embrace the 'Multiverse

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 8, 2013.

  1. jem

    jem

    like I have been saying, you are stuck in the 1950s atheism is science thinking and refuse to accept todays science.

    and even then you misrepresent what Einstein was thinking and speculating.


     
    #321     Aug 10, 2013
  2. stu

    stu

    ...where Susskind is saying multiverse. duh.


    Well if I had to be stuck anywhere I'd prefer it to be the 1950s rather than like you, in the middle ages.

    The fact that Einstein has the cosmological constant as an arbitrary constant with a value of 0 in his equations of general relativity to typify a static universe, is not misrepresenting anything.

    I suppose making fatuous statements, jumping to false conclusions and posting the same post a million times over is all you are ever going to have, as it's clear you know nothing about any of this.

    The fine tuning you mean is religious.
    The fine tuning scientists mean is not, but an expression for a seemingly tiny positive value which needs explaining.

    'God'... un-scientific and doesn't explain anything.
    Except as a means by which some like you absolve themselves from understanding much of science at all.
     
    #322     Aug 11, 2013
  3. jem

    jem

    a. you stated the cosmological constant could be zero.
    you did not say according to einstein when he was trying to figure out what was incorrect about his theory and the non static universe.



    b. “If there is only one universe,” British cosmologist Bernard Carr says, “you might have to have a fine-tuner. If you don’t want God, you’d better have a multiverse.” (Discover, December 2008)

    c. finally if you understood anything about science you would know the problem with the multiverse theory is that if it were true... than you wind up living in a very unscientific place where anything can happen and does depending on the universe you are in.
    Hence no predictions... unless you go to (top down comsology.)



     
    #323     Aug 11, 2013
  4. jem

    jem

    let me remind stu of part of the first quote of this thread...


    "Steven Weinberg, recipient of the Nobel Prize in Physics, and an anti-religious agnostic, notes that "the existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places. This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:

    1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
    00000000000000000000, but instead:

    1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
    00000000000000000001, there would be no life of any sort in the entire universe."

    Unless one is a closed-minded atheist (there are open-minded atheists), it is not valid on a purely scientific basis to deny that the universe is improbably fine-tuned to create life, let alone intelligent life. Additionally, it is atheistic dogma, not science, to dismiss design as unscientific. The argument that science cannot suggest that intelligence comes from intelligence or design from an intelligent designer is simply a tautology. It is dogma masquerading as science."
     
    #324     Aug 11, 2013
  5. stu

    stu

    How little you obviously understand yet presume to comprehend.

    Various supersymmetry theories require the cosmological constant to be at precisely zero.

    I also explained thoroughly to you in the context of differences between Susskind and Einstein, why you are wrong . All you can do is regurgitate ignorance that worn out old evangelical beliefs fabricate out of 122 decimal places, as if such values scientifically mean things they don't and cannot.

    The fine tuning you mean is religious.
    The fine tuning scientists mean is not.
     
    #325     Aug 12, 2013
  6. jem

    jem

    once again you pretend unproven theory is fact in an attempt cover up your ignorance and lies.




     
    #326     Aug 12, 2013
  7. jem

    jem

    you keep denying science to protect your 1950s atheistic world view.

    This is science...

     
    #327     Aug 12, 2013

  8. Exactly.

    And what's interesting it is not perfection at all, but instead imperfection and randomness that allowed us to be.

    I know you understand this stu, and also that it's pointless to try to explain it to jem
     
    #328     Aug 12, 2013
  9. jem

    jem

    ok sock puppet...

    why don't tell us what happens to our universe if you change the force cosmological constant by say .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent.

    you really think something tuned to 122nd manifests randomness.

    I know stu... knows better... he is just trolling.

    you simply seem to be another internet leftist drone who refuses to think.
     
    #329     Aug 12, 2013
  10. stu

    stu

    Pointless yes, but with his god awful posts making such bad train wrecks, one just has to take a look when going past. :D
     
    #330     Aug 12, 2013