so you go past tense in a recent post to cover your ridiculous arugment... and you want me to care. Because your troll garbage has been backed into a corner you are now changing to some irrelevant argument... which is also a lie. you are real troll but the beauty is you can not even prove Susskind dismissed the fine tuning of the Cosmological Constant. Because the whole point of the major part off his book was devoted to explaining... if proven to exist, the multiverse could explain the amazing fine tuning of our universe. Especially the fine tuning of the comological constant. Show us a passage with a link to it were he dismissed Weinberg calculation of how finely tuned the cc is in our universe. I guarantee you will not because you are lying troll.
gotta love these intellectuals.. they start off their Philosophy 101 classes by informing the students that they are not allowed to bring in anything from their religious teachings, books, etc. It all has to start with "I think therefor I am" and build from there... Eventually they find that they cannot prove the existence of God. God proves His existence by having prophets write the future but never mind all that, God's existence "cannot be proven". Then they allow people from the Evolution departments to bring their arguments into the classroom wherein the "strata is calibrated by the Geologic Column" and "the Geologic Column is calibrated by the strata". That's circular reasoning, completely not usable in Philosophy 101 but it's fine in the evolution classes... Now we have Stu, who lives in that world of "science" just repeating his reality for the rest of us! Hello walls, I didn't see you standing there!!
Do I really need to restate what I've stated already in multiple ways? You, like piezoe, should consider the fact that you are taking the opinions of a relative few and attributing them to many. For you to say that Christians make the general claim that the books were written by the hand of God, and not by people is demonstration of a narrow minded thought and also of you making stereotypical assumptions. It would be the same as me saying that all physicists are quacks just because I've heard a few talk out of their asses and make audacious statements like, "The Universe started out smaller than a pinhead and burst into being from a 'big bang' 13.8 billion years ago." I have also heard some who call themselves Christians make charges that dinosaur fossils are a work of fraud brought forth by atheist evolutionists to try and derail the biblical account. This is not the general view of most Christians however. Did you mean to smoke so much weed before hopping into this thread? I have never disagreed with piezoe in that the scriptures are from people. The writings are widely accepted by the knowledgeable public in general (including Christians) to be the writings of people, yet you and piezoe are both seemingly ignorant of this fact. It seems pretty obvious who the author is when a book is titled "The Gospel According to John". Even if it turns out that John wasn't the true author, the title itself suggest that the writings are at least attributed to John. As far as I know there is no such book titled "The Gospel According to God". Those who have an understanding of the teachings within will likely tell you that there is a symbiotic relationship between those who are responsible for authorship and God. As piezoe has said, there are many contradictions within the scriptures- but many of which are contradictions only if you interpret them to be so. Much of what has been taught in astronomy has been proven to be full of contradictions. So, Does this mean we should stereotype the science of it and outright ignore it's teachings? Since the popular Christian Bible contains four different Gospels from four different individuals, then it only makes sense if there are some differences according to their different points of view. We can assume that Luke isn't perfect and that he may have gotten a few things wrong, and/or perhaps left out a few things that Matthew may have recalled in his testimony and likewise. We can also assume that the people who wrote the Biblical accounts would have the ability to exaggerate the truth when it benefits their desires, and also to ignore the truth when it exposes their weaknesses.
You're hysterical again. Is it the booze? Susskind has particularly dismissed fine tuning by way of a fine tuner and even specifically, by an intelligent designer-fine tuner. You chose Susskind as your authority and he has told you intelligent design is an illusion thereby ruling out your god tuner. He even put it in the sub text of his book title for you.
Christians claim the Bible is the word of god. That is what has always and is broadly understood to be the general view of christians. Are you seriously trying to say christians in general do not think the Bible is the word of god? A symbiotic relationship between man the author and god not the author? The Bible, the word of god, by man the author!? So god in the image of man. Where are you going with that exactly? I don't know about maxpi's "intellectuals", but quite honestly neither of you sound as if you are going to make any logical or common sense. A lot like the Bible then.
notice the troll just makes shit up... while I post video proving that he is lying. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/2cT4zZIHR3s?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rDgzRIiQ4b8?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Physicist Leonard Susskind Rejects Intelligent Design
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at 2:12 he explains that his answer is based on the idea of the landscape or Multiverse or Mega verse. He believes the fine tuning in our universe would be explained by the speculation of almost infinite universes. Which is no different than the videos I have been showing.
I think you just need to realize, That is what has always been your understanding and your general view of Christian belief. I'm not making assumptions, but maybe it was a cousin or some family members or friends that you've heard express those views. Maybe it was even some Evangelist or two who you have listened to and they said those things in a way that was a big turn off for you. Especially when you see a crowd of hundreds or thousands saying "Amen!" after every line he or she has spouted off. I get that. But it doesn't make it true for everybody or even the majority. What I'm trying to say is that you're hung up on the thought that all or most Christians think the way you believe they think. Just take the statement that I have only heard you say, at least anytime recently: "The Bible is the word of God". It's a very simple sentence that can have different meanings, depending on how you choose to interpret. The word "of" is pretty loosey goosey, falling somewhere between "from" and "about". Both of those later terms would get you closer to a purposeful thought. If you were to say, "The Bible is the word from God." it would have a different meaning than if you said, "The Bible is the word about God." You see how the former sounds more like it's coming directly from the horse's mouth, and the later sounds more like it's coming from someone's thoughts on God? A bit of both. At least that's where I see the beauty of it. God gives us both free will and inspiration. He knows what you will do before you move, and what you'll say before you speak, yet he allows you to be the one to decide what you do and say. Did that just blow your mind? Pack the bong. It gets better. You're getting there. Actually I wasn't sure where you are going with that, but I'm listening. I know it's difficult, but keep stirring it around, and it will become clear.