The minute I stop repeating videos you start lying your fucking ass off. He is short version of a video I linked to many times before. you want susskind to say fine tuning.. here it is you fricken troll. he says it multiple times. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/iLH6erLI3iw?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
It's really gotten to the stage where it must be that you're constantly missing the point because you really are as dumb as your posts portray you to be. Can you really not follow what you are saying from one to the next? Everyone knows Susskind dismisses fine-tuning and intelligent design. He wrote a book confirming that much. You described the guy as "a great minds of science".. so how come you don't accept him or his science that says ... the illusion of intelligent design... but will accept any 2 bit hacked up video manipulated for religious propaganda purposes in which he DOESN'T say the Universe IS fine-tuned!? What was your point again? pfft. Really, don't bother.
everyone knows you were just lying your ass off and still lying your ass off. There a difference between dismissing fine tuning and suggesting there are 4 explanations and that your preferred conjecture is the multiverse. I already gave you the much longer video that one was cut from. Go look it up.
Big A, you have already stated that you believe the ID movement is dishonest as it comes from the Christians, whom I will presume you believe to be all liars and con artists. But, you still haven't answered the question I have posed to you- What if it was hypothesized by any other group who practiced some sort of religion or another? Would it still be dishonest? Can the only legitimate scientific theories, in your mind, come from atheists or agnostics?
Sure scientific theories can come from any group. Science isn't limited to a belief, not for ever anyway. I was talking about the ID movement in America that is going on now, it's a backdoor way to get Jesus into the classroom.
The "Thou shalt not kill" commandment was actually from the Jews, or at least that is where the known record began. Christ is the one who made forgiveness a commandment. While you may not have a scientific view of either concept, I have no doubt there is at least one geek out there who has hypothesized the origins and reasoning for the commandments' existence. He/she/it may even have some mathematical equations to support their work. I was just curious as to whether or not you saw any validity in such notions. I hope you are able to give at least one or two examples where main stream Christianity celebrates and lauds the killing of others. I'm surprised to hear of this. As for me, I find forgiveness to be far more interesting than the other commandment. We are all killers, thieves, liars and cheaters, are we not? We have all been eaten away at some point by our own hatred and jealousy for others, have we not? Just look at the way Obama's legacy has twisted and tormented pspr's very soul. I have found that the act of forgiving to be maybe even paramount- far surpassing any other concept of chemical reaction or gravitational pull. While I agree that some within the baptists may think similarly to what you have described, I will also point out that you are stereotyping all members of a group, based on what was likely an isolated and short lived study on your part. My buddy, Tom, is a baptist(claims to be at least) and he says you're "full of bs"(his words). The humanist just prefer to remain low-key and rarely run their mouths about anything. God only knows what is going through their minds half the time. Popper had his moments, that is for sure. I find it interesting though, that you seem to classify any science that comes from a group of Christians as "mumbo jumbo", as their theories can't be tested and/or falsified. Yet I wonder how you view many of today's "main stream" scientific theories. You know, like such widely accepted theories that the earth has a molten nickel outer core and a solid iron inner core- or that the sun's core temperature remains steady at about 27 million degrees F? For instance, let's take your theory that life- other than carbon based- will never be found elsewhere in our universe; Is this theory testable, falsifiable? You mean "mumbo jumbo" like the "Big Bang" theory? I don't know about you, but I'm still waiting for those tests to take place to see whether or not it can be falsified...
Piezoe, perhaps you just need to do more research on the old and new testaments before making your assumptions public. Nearly every story in both the new and old have authors that been attributed to them. For instance, the first book in the new testament, or what is referred to as the "Christian bible", was the Gospel according to Matthew. It was followed by other accounts of Christ or points of view according to Mark, Luke and John, etc. Paul, for instance is attributed to authoring the book of Romans, First and Second Corinthians, etc. In the old Testament, It is pretty obvious who wrote Ezekiel, as the entire story unfolds from first person (Esekiel's) p.o.v. Moses is widely believed to be responsible for the authoring of many of the earliest Hebrew texts, including Genesis, Exodus and so on. Now, just because these people are attributed to being responsible for the authorship, doesn't necessarily mean that they put pen and ink to paper. Many in those days were oral teachers and it was up to their students to do the actual writing of the accounts. The only people I can really think of that try to attribute God as the author of the bible are the ignorant ones who haven't taken the time to actually read it or properly research it, but are usually quick to discredit the teachings within. It's mostly atheists who view it as a bunch of "mumbo jumbo", who show their ignorance on the matter. Most Christians I know of have a pretty clear understanding of the books' authorship.
Having dismissed fine tuning by way of a fine tuner, and with math and the laws of physics in evidence, only 3 explanations are going to remain applicable.
Hoof, Using the Bible as evidence that its own characters are real, is like using Deathly Hallows as evidence Harry Potter is real.
Where are you getting this from? How are the stories and teachings of Christ even remotely related to the theory of Intelligent Design? Well, other than the obvious, which is to consider the possibility of a higher being. For Christ, their is no question as to the validity of a benevolent and almighty creator and nourisher. This ID theory- it only takes a look at scientific results, the same way we can look at a Swiss watch, and determine that there must have been a designer. As far as I can tell, it makes no assumptions about the benevolence of the designer. The designer could be some geek who figured out how to start an entire universal ecosystem within a saliva dish in some other universal plane that we cannot see. This Christian right wing movement seems to me to likely be a conspiracy theory that you or someone else who you respect may have devised. If you can present some shred of evidence that there is a spiritual hoodwinking taking place, then please, by all means bring it.