Why should France have a veto right in the U.N. ?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by freealways, Jan 21, 2003.

  1. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    You can always tell who the kids are. They think 60 years is a long time :p

    --Db
     
    #61     Jan 29, 2003
  2. is it because you don't have any?
     
    #62     Jan 29, 2003
  3. <<You can always tell who the kids are. They think 60 years is a long time <<

    Just pointing a fact. It is because of this past history that Germany are araid of war it is because they have lived thorugh war that they do not want it until a last resort.
    When moved here I undertood this mindset , and it s response like that of this other whoever he is that gives Americans a bad name but again that should not matter ...
    America has not been through a war to understand. Not on mainland.
    Thik of 911 acurig in everycity and the whole cities destroyed. Then you looking for brothers and sisters and never finding them or knowing if they are alive or not...
     
    #63     Jan 29, 2003
  4. Babak

    Babak

    Gentlemen, please be civil and refrain from namecalling.

    For those interested in Hitler and how he came to power here is a short article that may be useful. I just read it today in the newspaper:



    How evil triumphs

    Political scientist JAMES LAXER looks back at the conditions that gave rise to Hitler 70 years ago tomorrow

    By JAMES LAXER


    Wednesday, January 29, 2003 – Print Edition, Page A15


    Three score and 10 years -- the traditional reckoning of a lifetime -- that's how long it has been since Adolf Hitler was sworn in as chancellor of Germany on Jan. 30, 1933.

    Hitler took the helm with an extremely clear idea of how he would mobilize the nation to achieve the program he had in mind. His goal was to enable Germany to throw off the shackles imposed on it by the Treaty of Versailles at the end of the First World War and to achieve German domination of Europe from the Atlantic to the Ural Mountains.

    In the wreckage of Germany in the years after the 1918 armistice, Hitler cobbled together the political philosophy he clung to for the rest of his life. Force mattered most in deciding things, Hitler believed. To him, notions of overcoming the injustices suffered by some peoples at the hands of others through negotiation, reason and internationalism were nothing but sophistry. Worse, such ideas were fetters whose purpose was to keep those who ruled the Earth in their positions of power. Germany would realize its rightful place in the sun only when Germans hardened their hearts against other peoples and forged an implacable unity under the direction of an uncompromising leader.

    Race was at the heart of Hitler's distinctly unoriginal world-view. The world's races, he held, were locked in a struggle for survival, one against another. The Germans constituted a master race, superior to those around them, particularly the Slavs. Only the Jews, Hitler thought, could thwart the German march to supremacy. The Jews -- Hitler and the Nazi racial theorists believed -- constituted a bacillus that had to be excised from the bloodstream of Germany and Europe. This idea, for decades the subject of the ranting of the politically demented in flophouses and beer halls, ultimately became the basis for the murder of six million Jews.

    There was nothing inevitable about Hitler's rise to power. He became chancellor for the very good reason that his party won the largest number of votes in free elections. But without the active scheming of members of Germany's ruling elite, he never would have been sworn in on that fateful January day.

    Hitler's electoral support was actually slipping on the eve of his accession to power. While the Nazis won 37.4 per cent of the vote in the parliamentary election in July of 1932 -- their highest total in a free election -- this fell to 33.1 per cent in November of 1932 in Germany's last free parliamentary election.

    It took Hitler just over a year and a half to acquire absolute power after becoming chancellor. One would like to be able to record that -- as Hitler built concentration camps, set in train the highly visible and ferocious persecution of Jews, and created a military force with the clear goal of assaulting neighbouring countries -- Germans soured on their leader. The reverse was true.

    Hitler's rearmament put unemployed Germans back to work. He sailed from triumph to triumph in foreign policy, swallowing Austria and Czechoslovakia without war. On the eve of the Second World War, historians agree that Hitler's popularity with the German people was immense, that he was the most idolized leader in the world with his own people.

    Germany's early victories in the Second World War convinced Hitler's adoring public that he was a military as well as a political genius. It was his inability to accept that he and Germany were subject to any limits that brought him down. Invading the Soviet Union in June of 1941 and recklessly declaring war on the United States four days after Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 sealed his fate.

    On Jan. 30, 1943, 10 years to the day after Hitler was sworn in as chancellor, Hermann Goering, the Nazi air force chief, broadcast to the German people a "funeral oration" for the doomed German Sixth Army at Stalingrad. Twenty-seven months later, the Soviet army was in Berlin, the Allies were closing in, and Hitler had shot himself in his bunker.

    If Hitler's totalitarianism and his maniacal drive to remake the world in his own image have a distinctly 20th-century feel about them, they also remain a stark warning in our new century. A lifetime after he took power, exclusionism, ethnic cleansing, genocide and the idolization of leaders who seem to be able to solve problems through force are very much a part of our world. And the weapons Hitler deployed were mere toys in comparison to the weapons today's great states possess.
    James Laxer is a professor of political science at York University.
     
    #64     Jan 29, 2003
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    #65     Jan 29, 2003
  6. Good post-
    << A lifetime after he took power, exclusionism, ethnic cleansing, genocide and the idolization of leaders who seem to be able to solve problems through force are very much a part of our world. And the weapons Hitler deployed were mere toys in comparison to the weapons today's great states possess. >>

    That is always the danger and it can happen anywhere and in any country.
     
    #66     Jan 29, 2003
  7. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Quote from tradenut:



    Just pointing a fact.


    More like an opinion.

    America has not been through a war to understand. Not on mainland.

    Speaking of ignorance of history.

    Thik of 911 acurig in everycity and the whole cities destroyed. Then you looking for brothers and sisters and never finding them or knowing if they are alive or not...

    Yeah, poor Germany. Here they were just sitting there, minding their own business, and the US, Europe and Russia decided for no reason at all to destroy their cities. Poor Germany.

    --Db
     
    #67     Jan 29, 2003
  8. I know US history quite well..
    When is the last time there was a war on US soil since the civil war?

    << Yeah, poor Germany. Here they were just sitting there, minding their own business, and the US, Europe and Russia decided for no reason at all to destroy their cities. Poor Germany.>>

    I never said poor anything I just said that was the reason they did not want to jump into war until al peacefull means has been exhausted.
     
    #68     Jan 29, 2003
  9. know US history quite well..
    When is the last time there was a war on US soil since the civil war?

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    Contrary to popular belief, Hawaii is U.S Soil
     
    #69     Jan 29, 2003
  10. "I never said poor anything I just said that was the reason they did not want to jump into war until al peacefully means has been exhausted."
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    NO the reason they didn't jump into a war is that the country was divided because every time the Germans have too much to drink and feel a nationalistic spirt, ...they head for France!!

    In addition, we formed NATO and stationed Troops to watch over them...Please spare me this whole peace crap....They are the Iraq of the last century and they need to be broken up an watched over.
     
    #70     Jan 29, 2003