Why not tradestation, TOS, Etrade......

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by greenmoose, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. Real Money

    Real Money

    ThinkorSwim is good for:

    Tick charts
    Spread Charts
    Programmable Studies
    Algorithms that can utilize objects defined on data series, studies, and spreads of both
    VWAP with standard deviations (session VWAP is cool feature)

    IB TWS is good for:

    basket orders
    global orders
    hotkeys
    monitoring and charting spreads
    API data is really fast (250 ms)


    One of the reasons futures traders obsess over platform/data/software/analytics packages is because they may have developed custom tools for any and all of these.

    Futures commission is also very serious if you start to do any real volume. Some of the platforms have volume based pricing. Some of the techniques can only be done with certain software. Some FMC only support certain front-ends. Some front ends only support certain data feeds.

    You see my point here?

    There are huge differences between guys who make markets in deferred spreads, guys who automate baskets/spreads/outright or traders that just take flat price risk intraday or longer term.
     
    #11     Nov 10, 2019
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  2. Real Money

    Real Money

    I derive the spread on the futures and etfs vs the CBOE index feed directly from the API data. Then I do signal processing on the spread. This is a proxy for order flow between the exchanges.
     
    #12     Nov 10, 2019
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  3. Hah, nice. I won't say I do something similar because I don't, but basic motivation is the same. What do you do with regards to signal processing?
     
    #13     Nov 10, 2019
  4. Real Money

    Real Money

    I force the signal into a volatility adjusted channel. Then I do other nasty things with mathematics and calculus. This is what the pros are doing.

    Seriously, if your interested in this stuff then just check these spreads out

    ESZ19 - SPX,
    NQZ19 - NDX,
    RTY19 - RUT,
    YMZ19 - 100*DJIA

    and these too

    10*SPY - SPX
    40*QQQ - NDX
    etc.

    compare them to the price and you will see that they are very related.
     
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    #14     Nov 10, 2019
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  5. Sounds like you would do that for arbitrage?
     
    #15     Nov 10, 2019
  6. Real Money

    Real Money

    No, these spreads are what is being arbitraged. Just remember, when these spreads are at extremes, then (HFT) arbitrage is happening. Arbitrage between ES and NYSE listings, NQ and NASDAQ cash market........and so on.
     
    #16     Nov 10, 2019
  7. zwangerz

    zwangerz

    Tradestation is out because you can replicate their platform with "Multicharts" and interface it with your low-cost broker
     
    #17     Nov 11, 2019
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Did you read the OP?

    How to uncomplicate things.
     
    #18     Nov 11, 2019
  9. Honestly I actually would be interested in peoples configurations of charting, broker, data though because it seems endlessly complicated to me and yet it seems a lot of people do it so there must be some reason......
     
    #19     Nov 11, 2019
  10. heispark

    heispark

    If you want a simple solution, I recommend Sierra Chart + Rithmic + AMP Futures. You won't complain.
     
    #20     Nov 11, 2019
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