Why most BTC speculators will MAKE money

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by peilthetraveler, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. Issue has already been addressed. Coinbase and bitpay transfers the btc to dollars at point of sale, so no risk for business if they dont want the risk of holding bitcoin.

    And no large business you say? You mean like overstock.com? http://www.overstock.com/bitcoin

    Or zynga?

    http://www.coindesk.com/games-giant-zynga-playing-bitcoin/

    Or newsweek?

    http://www.newsweek.com/newsweek-becomes-first-magazine-accept-bitcoin-pitches-228533

    But none of the really big big businesses would adopt it, would they? I mean...like Google?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...exploring-possible-bitcoin-integration-plans/
     
    #11     Feb 12, 2014
  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    The point is, the usage is already limited in 2 huge countries and bitcoin is still in just Beta. :eek:

    Now you want lies? How about the rarity issue? Or bringing up divisibility when it is irrelevant to divide into worthless units??? (I could divide a penny into 100 parts, but what is the point?)

    Now let's mention the literally dozens of problems (have you heard of timejacking) that are still unsolved, then we can talk about the future of bitcoin.

    Or send me a PM when they have a Release Candidate at least. :)
     
    #12     Feb 12, 2014
  3. Going to reverse it on you a little.

    How many countries can you go to that you can use US dollars? Maybe 10-15% of the world will accept them as payment for goods & services? And the dollar has been around for 100s of years! :eek:

    Now lets mention the literally dozens of problems that are still unsolved with the USD. Have you heard of counterfeiting? Money printing? Being forced to pay 35% of all the coins you mine to the government? (you like that bitcoin reference?) How about the fact that if you hold USD, it is GUARANTEED to go down in value every single year? Why would you hold it? Because men with guns tell you thats what you have to use!


    According to a study of 775 fiat currencies by DollarDaze.org, there is no historical precedence for a fiat currency that has succeeded in holding its value. Twenty percent failed through hyperinflation, 21% were destroyed by war, 12% destroyed by independence, 24% were monetarily reformed, and 23% are still in circulation approaching one of the other outcomes.

    The average fiat currency lasts for about 27 years. The world has been fiat for about 44 years now...all countries are in debt to their eyeballs (us especially) So what's going to happen? Cryptocurrencies are going to happen.
     
    #13     Feb 12, 2014
  4. Hoi

    Hoi

    Well said ! (and Trolls like Pekelo will die, poor).
     
    #14     Feb 13, 2014
  5. While virtual currencies ARE going to be increasingly 'the thing', BitCoin isn't going to be one of them. With somewhere in the region of 45% of Bitcoin Exchanges either going bust, running off with the loot or being sequestered by national authorities and the volatility inherent in the design of the mining technique making it far too risky for serious investment or trading, Bitcoin is going to be a prime example of selling to the greater fool.
     
    #15     Feb 13, 2014
  6. Hoi

    Hoi

    You have no idea how much is already invested in the Bitcoin-network and Eco-system (it's nearing $1 billion this year). This will not die by some small childhood illness.
     
    #16     Feb 13, 2014
  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Dude, seriously. You are such a cultist. When I bring up problems with your cult, you are supposed to DEFEND them, instead of bringing up problems with other cult. :)

    I don't care what the problem is with the US dollar, we are talking about bitcoin....

    Another cultist. And of course anyone who has valid criticism is the enemy or at least a troll... :)

    The amount invested doesn't always equal success. Yahoo invested 6 billions in broadcast.com and they lost it all.... I dare you to type it in... :)
     
    #17     Feb 13, 2014
  8. just21

    just21

    What is the market profile chart of bitcoin looking like?
     
    #18     Feb 13, 2014
  9. Hoi

    Hoi

    Yes indeed: if you call the following "valid criticism", while it's debugged several time before, then you are just a troll repeating the same nonsense:

    OK, I will try it for you once more:


    Usefulness + Rarity = Value.

    Let's compare it with Water.
    Water is extremely useful (you will die without it) so its value depends on its rarity. The availability of water is highly correlated to its Eco-system : Here in the Netherlands drinking water is available for free (costs $0.0013 per Liter). But in the Sahara desert, water is very rare and expensive.

    Now look at decentralized crypto currencies. They are very useful (have explained that before) but are they rare to justify a high value? There are so many versions, are they all rare or just a few?
    Also here (like the Water example), it helps to understand that there are two Eco-systems: SHA-256 and sCrypt. These two eco-systems aren't compatible. They are separated networks of different Mining-hardware.

    Within the SHA-256 eco-system Bitcoin is King (99% of the whole) and there is no competition within this eco-system at all. Within the sCrypt eco-system Litecoin is (still) King (70%) but it's in this eco-system where the battle happens between many copy-cat currencies. You can say that within the sCrypt eco-system crypto-currencies aren't that rare, this in contrast to the SHA-256 eco-system where Bitcoin is the clear winner.

    Now how rare are they? If we add Bitcoin and Litecoin together then there are currently 37 million coins in circulation (and this will not grow much in the next few years). Which is quite rare if the world's population discovers its usefulness.
    Actually, it doesn't matter which coin or how many coins together are popular as long as the sum is Fixed and much less than world's population: then they are rare.

    But is Bitcoin from the SHA-256 eco-system more valuable than Litecoin from the sCrypt eco-system? They both have a fixed maximum coins: Litecoin 4 times more than Bitcoin. So on rarity alone, Litecoin should be priced 25% of Bitcoin. Which isn't the case at all. It's Bitcoin's usefulness which makes it 40 times more valuable (you can simply use it in more places in the world and on the Internet). It's the economic law of the "Network Effect" which makes Bitcoin, as first mover, more useful and very hard to replace by another competitor.

    So it's actually: Usefulness + Rarity + NetworkEffect = Value.
     
    #19     Feb 13, 2014
  10. Are you saying there is a correlation between worth as defined by any abstract measure and viability? Bitcoin is certainly for you if you are. While I have your attention, I have a few, just a very few rare tulips that are worth $150,000 each. I wouldn't normally dream of parting with them as they're going to be worth ten times that in a month's time, but as you are a fellow connoisseur of the abstractions of value, I could let you have one for say, $250,000. Payment in US$ - BTC not accepted here.
     
    #20     Feb 13, 2014