Why isn't the market going down?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by MustPlayOptions, May 6, 2008.

  1. We're in the new era of smartism and hyper capitalism and globalism.
     
    #11     May 6, 2008
  2. So in other words the "market" feels like things are going to stabilize or turn around despite people paying more than $50 a tank?

    I guess that's what I'm not getting. If gas prices really stay this high people will be spending less and so less jobs will be available.

    Are there actual signs besides energy company earnings that the economy is really going to turn?

    Thanks for all the responses so far.
     
    #12     May 6, 2008
  3. You would make a lot more money if you spent less time worrying about what the market "feels" and simply trade what you see.


    Write that on a piece of paper and read that every day and that is all the trading psychology you ever need. :D
     
    #13     May 6, 2008
  4. Optioncoach, Why not give us a few good call or put positions so that we can make double to triple our money in short time. We dont need general advice but specific calls so that we can trade like you do.
     
    #14     May 6, 2008
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    #15     May 6, 2008
  6. You are elitetrader's optioncoach with over 6300 posts. Why cant you give me one good setup, one good play that will make us money? Since you are so experienced, surely you can give us one good play where we will rake it in.

     
    #16     May 6, 2008
  7. LT701

    LT701

    despite what all of the 'know it alls' proclaim here, this IS a very perplexing market

    oil prices sky high and climbing higher, yet the dollar bottomed (temporary at least) 2 months ago

    transports looking at new highs, higher than anything else with record expenses

    indexes in relentless climb, with the consumer totally tapped out from gas prices
     
    #17     May 6, 2008
  8. Tums

    Tums

    ROTFLMAO
     
    #18     May 6, 2008
  9. You are being far too naive when it comes to fundamentals and economics. Do you honestly think that the ENTIRE market marches to the exact same drummer?

    The oil sector is on fire, and that weighting in the S&P helps support the SPX a bit. Financials look to have made some significant trading lows based off of incredibly bearish sentiment. Defense stocks have continued to benefit off of all of those Defense "Supplemental's that Congress has been passing year after year . . . All this, combined with some very strong earnings in the cyclical patch with names like Potash, Monsanto, Deere, and Catepillar and other infrastructure plays . . . not too mention strong global demand for IBM's and CSCO's products, and low and behold DISNEY comes in today with incredibly strong numbers for their theme parks and resorts . . .

    If you ACTUALLY "listen" to what the market is trying to tell you ( instead of being BIASED ahead of time ), then there are some easily defined uptrends found in this current market environment.

    Your problem is that you have been BIASED to begin with, and most likely do not use any technical analysis tools to realistically define what the TREND really is.
     
    #19     May 6, 2008
  10. 1) the market =/= the economy. they are not the same thing
    2) if i hear one more person complain of "manipulation" of the futures. there is no such thing. orders can either be made to buy or sell. limit or market. that's it. it's not "manipulation" when it moves other to how you want or predict
    3) the overnight session is significantly affected by overseas traders (and traders trading overseas markets). it isn't just a bunch of guys trying to run your stops.
    4) the VAST majority of the volume in the futes is arbitrage/program trade/hedging by institutions. NOT price speculation/directional trade. so, contrary to your beliefs, "they" are not "manipulating" the markets to fool you, or anybody. this is less true in extremely quiet periods when floor traders take over to a greater extent.
    5) the VAST majority of retail traders lose in futures. most don't truly understand what is going on, and also fail to properly manage risk. the futures let you take on far more risk/leverage than is prudent for most people, especially unhedged
     
    #20     May 6, 2008