Why isn't Jim Simons richer than Warren Buffett?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by pinetboltz, Mar 2, 2019.

  1. Maybe Buffet's "star" has dimmed?

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    #11     Mar 2, 2019
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  2. MattZ

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    There are many ways to measure wealth, and one of them is liquidity. Assuming both anticipate bad times, I think that Simons will most likely be in a better position if he wants to go to cash and ride it out. Warren Buffet's investments are not only in stocks but actual land and factory ownership and that type of adjustments are much harder, in my opinion.
     
    #12     Mar 2, 2019
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  3. pinetboltz

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    good point, i guess the liquidity factor goes both ways, eg. some of the hedge funders didnt get there as fast as some of the billionaires who got there by way of paper valuations, but their holdings are pretty liquid as compared to ownership in pre-ipo (pre-earnings?) companies
     
    #13     Mar 2, 2019
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  4. Bill Gates would be worth north $220 billion right now provided he never gave any money to charity and held his MSFT stake. I've included DIVY income. He held 24% of all outstanding shares.

    Warren B would be worth north of $150 billion plus if he didn't donate any of his funds.

    Bezos first donation to charity of $2 billion was this year plus his fortune could possibly be cut in half after his divorce.
     
    #14     Mar 2, 2019
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  5. Simons was the best there was or ever will be. Presses a button cashes out billions a year. Simons is a short term trader. You can't compare the 2 styles. His main fund that produces the bulk of his income, the Medallion fund, is private. Nobody really has a clue how much he's making or is really worth. I remember when the media listed his net worth at $8 billion a few years ago then suddenly it ballooned to $22 billion.

    How many more secret accounts is he holding.
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...private-wealth-fund-tax-haven-paradise-papers
     
    #15     Mar 2, 2019
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  6. Trader Curt

    Trader Curt

    It's because Warren Buffet has more money than Jim Sim
     
    #16     Mar 2, 2019
  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Simons machine will die within a few years of his death. Warren Buffet’s will continue to earn for another 200 years.
     
    #17     Mar 2, 2019
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  8. MattZ

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    I can not talk about hedge funds in blank statements or ones who are not. For example, you can have hedge funds with OTC derivatives with long term maturities, and then you can have day traders who use exchange only products. So "liquidity" is a relative term.
     
    #18     Mar 2, 2019
  9. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    And had insurance companies (like GEICO etc) spinning out cash flow to invest with.
     
    #19     Mar 2, 2019
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  10. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    There is also a large tax differential in the two structures. If you were to liquidate all of Berkshire the numbers change quite a bit.
     
    #20     Mar 2, 2019