Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. TVIS

    TVIS

    Maybe we focus on the wrong things.
     
    #8511     Feb 23, 2024
  2. schizo

    schizo

    Not quite follow what you mean and your chart doesn't help either.

    Anyway, there's only one way to tell a difference between those who know and those who don't.

    Those who know follow Higher Low and Lower High (-->BLASH & SHABL).

    Those who don't know follow Higher High and Lower Low (--> BHASL & SLABH).
     
    #8512     Feb 23, 2024
  3. Vindago

    Vindago

    I don't know if it is just me, but throughout my trading experience (over 10 years) I have been afflicted by a serious ailment: I have always had this urge to enter a trade at a pivot point when the direction of price reversed. No matter the bad results due to the ailment I kept doing this, it is insane, isn't it? It is the very definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results:banghead:

    Well, few months back I reached a point where I needed to get away from trading, for few months I stopped any trading, I stopped looking at charts and dedicated myself to other activities. It's been good. Then a few days ago I had a look at the charts (S&P 500 Future index) again and one thought pop into my mind as quite obvious: What if I just followed price instead of trying to catch the reversal? Of course it is a little more complicated than it seems as I still need to keep track of various TFs, keep track of what price is doing on higher TFs, and sometimes it actually make sense to expect a reversal but overall, for me it is such a basic change in how I look at price that it is a revolution on itself. Well I will soon restart some trading and will let you know how it is going.

    Good trading to all:D
     
    #8513     Feb 24, 2024
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  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    :thumbsup:

    Your "a-ha" moment.
     
    #8514     Feb 24, 2024
  5. schizo

    schizo

    It seems obvious when you're out of the market and looking in the back mirror. But once you get back in and have your money at stake, you go back to making predictions. :)
     
    #8515     Feb 24, 2024
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  6. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    I like it.

    Would just add …
    Those who know, look forward.

    I don’t like charts very much, especially those which put much weight on what has already happened.

    What matters most is what’s going on.



    Buying the 2nd or 3rd higher low is priceless,
    Now … Use stop and make it trail.


    The strategy should offer unlimited upside.
    Or at the very least, limit the downside.



    For too long I’ve been playing a losing game,
    Any profit divided by infinite loss is zero.
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2024
    #8516     Feb 24, 2024
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  7. schizo

    schizo

    Priceless. :)

    However, I have problem with this one. When it comes to trading, you have traders and investors all looking at charts of different timeframe. What you consider as "what has already happened" is just a starting point for others.

    Now ask yourself. Does the lower timeframe charts affect the higher timeframe chart? Or does the higher timeframe affect the lower timeframe?

    This is the TIME element of trading. Without understanding this, you're doomed to repeat your failure (well, not you per se).
     
    #8517     Feb 24, 2024
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  8. Jzwu2017

    Jzwu2017

    I am still struggling on this exact problem and I suspect many traders are in the same situation. My understanding is that’s just how human perceives the price movements. It’s our innate cognitive and psychological trait. And that’s why it’s so difficult to overcome even after we fully realize the issue.

    As schizo mentioned we tend to revert back to our instinctive approach while in the action no matter how it seems so clear to us when outside the market.
     
    #8518     Feb 24, 2024
  9. schizo

    schizo

    If you ever see my posts on ES Journal, you would see that I fade a lot as well. The problem isn't so much with fading, but what your expectation is and how you will manage the risk. Here are some questions to consider.

    When you fade the top, are you looking for a complete trend reversal or a small pullback?

    What do you believe usually happens at the top? Does it reverse in one go, as in a v-pattern?

    Also do you know how many pullbacks there are typically in an intraday trend? Are you actively counting the number of pullbacks? (Oh, you didn't know that? ;))

    Before fading, did you ever consider that "this could be a trap"? On that note, what do you consider as a trap?

    I don't expect you to answer these questions. They're merely rhetorical questions that I want to think on your own.
     
    #8519     Feb 24, 2024
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  10. Jzwu2017

    Jzwu2017

    All good questions that we need to think carefully about before fading.
     
    #8520     Feb 24, 2024