Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. MrScalper

    MrScalper

    One can use whatever they want..as long as it works. The way I was shown is much easier with bars..in fact..it is very awkward using candles..so much so that it is not worth using..so..horses for courses..you use what is best for you.

    It really does depend on the trader..what market he chooses..how much money he has..and whether he has any problem taking losses..if the trader has a problem with taking losses..then no matter what method is used..it will just not work.

    Any trader who tells you he has no losses..well..in my opinion he is not a trader..in fact..the only way to know if a trader is any good..is to see his losing trades :)
     
    #5911     Jul 1, 2017
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  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    MrScalper,

    After staring at charts all week using candles and bars, often as the price moved in real time, I am switching over to bar from now on.

    Thank you and the others for your coaching.

    Regards,
     
    #5912     Jul 1, 2017
  3. It's probably due to habit and having always used candles, but bar charts are very awkward to me and I feel I'm not 'seeing' as much using them.

    That's why I thought the 'self-evident' comment from Vindago was interesting. Because it's not to me at the moment. :)
     
    #5913     Jul 1, 2017
  4. Vindago

    Vindago

    one way to put it: the majority of traders lose money, right? a good part of this majority base its trades on some form of TA, especially patterns, these patters sometime works sometimes don't. The bars, IMHO, shows these patterns more clearly than candles, if you can find a way to use the fact that TA may or may not work and you have a plan for both situations....
     
    #5914     Jul 1, 2017
  5. Vindago

    Vindago

    the above is one of the reasons Bars works better form me, but there others that I feel unconfortable to share.
     
    #5915     Jul 1, 2017
  6. Vindago

    Vindago

    I have to agree with you as it has been proven on my skin on recent days. I needed a reminder, that I can make as much money as i want but if I am not ready to lose some money when it is needed (and that may be very subjective and dependent on the trading style) than, soon or later I will need to loose way more money than needed...
     
    #5916     Jul 1, 2017
  7. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    Because market messages are nuanced and changes with market cycles.
     
    #5917     Jul 1, 2017
  8. MrScalper

    MrScalper

    We can argue all day and night about what to use and if TA works or not..but it really makes no difference to the individual..as each person must find out what works best for self!

    Of course there are better ways..but there is nothing to say that the way you use can not be the best way for you..after all..the only thing that matters is the bottom line..and if you can do it..then what me or anyone else says does not matter one little bit!

    However.. :) ..most will find it very hard to come up with a way that works well most of the time..as it is very hard to discover something that is constant in an ever changing environment. Major levels do offer low risk opportunities..as this is when extra activity happens..so..this is one thing that is constant "enough" to help a trader make money.

    We all like trying to be right..and trying to predict what might happen next..hell..I still look at different things to see if I can discover something new..but to be honest..deep down I know it is a waste of time in relation to making money..but it is not a waste of time as you get older and need to keep your brain active to prevent the likes of Alzheimer's..and if something worthwhile is discovered..then so be it..it won't be the first time it has happened!

    I actually have something I was working on..will post the last file saved and then update it and post the latest data..see if anything "obvious" turns up? :)
     
    #5918     Jul 1, 2017
  9. MrScalper

    MrScalper

    This is the file I last saved on 15-Apr-17. Will now update the data and see if any sense can be made out of it?

    upload_2017-7-1_20-3-23.png

    Update

    upload_2017-7-1_20-30-17.png



    SPX..the task is to see if anything on the yellow chart reveals any clues on the SPX chart in relation to possible future direction..not magnitude?

    Does anyone know what the yellow chart might be..before I tell you of course :)

    upload_2017-7-1_20-25-41.png
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2017
    #5919     Jul 1, 2017
  10. _eug_

    _eug_

    It's probably some sort of market breadth indicator but I cannot figure out which.
     
    #5920     Jul 3, 2017