Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. Pelt

    Pelt

    I was drawing a blank for a way to make the distinction between WHAT to do, vs exactly HOW to go about carrying it out. As in, what is the best way to go about proceeding with the 4 objectives listed? "Motive without the Modus Operandi," may not have been the best wording.




    But taking a look at the above quote... Simple enough.

    Within that, one has to decide when and where to place a trade(within that 30 minutes). BTW there are x30 one-minute bars in that period. TIME.

    Also, risk taken(potential P/L) has to be decided.

    Entry and exit points must be decided upon.
     
    #5501     Jan 14, 2017
  2. algofy

    algofy

    More unhelpful drivel....what point is all of this. Which line is longer has nothing to do with trading. Enough with all of this non trading mysticism.
     
    #5502     Jan 14, 2017
  3. Vindago

    Vindago

    because it is a false syllogism, to be true the first sentence should be reversed: anything that need water is a living thing. However this is a typical case of tricky as the two lines in the following example as they may seem different in length but they are not. This happens all the time on charts that presents patterns that induce the trader into thinking that price will go one way or the other while a better informed look would tell just the opposite...
     
    #5503     Jan 15, 2017
  4. Vindago

    Vindago

    By the way, trading the first 30 min is a risky business if you don't know what you are doing. If you do actually know, it may be a very good time to enter on an important low/high of the day (not necessarily the LL or HH but still a very tradeable one).
    Still, as I rather play on the side of prudence I do not like to trade that candle, I will much rather do my trades when "it shows"
     
    #5504     Jan 15, 2017
  5. Do you mean something like buyer/seller action?
     
    #5505     Jan 15, 2017
  6. Vindago

    Vindago

    nope, just what I said: looking at charts differently from the herd, if you do so you will see things that will blow your mind.
     
    #5506     Jan 15, 2017
  7. algofy

    algofy

    Just adding more fluff and drivel to this already massively bloated thread unless you can provide a helpful example.
     
    #5507     Jan 15, 2017
  8. wtfauoa

    wtfauoa

    When one trades, it is prudent to have both a min and max risk level. The Min is where you get out based on what happens after entry. The Max is where you are taken out in the event of a major unexpected move against you after entry. One or both can be mechanical, but if trading the first 30 min it is probably best to have just one mechanical, which should be obvious which one.
    Profit taking is the harder bit. A profit can very easily turn into a loss in the first 30 min of trading, so, again it is prudent to have a min and a max profit target. What do you think the Min and Max profit targets should be based on?
     
    #5508     Jan 15, 2017
  9. wtfauoa

    wtfauoa

    You are correct, but as Pelt has asked some serious questions let's move on for now. Point is as you say, the charts are very misleading to most, but that is because of the way they think and how they let clueless clowns and dopey dudes cloud their judgement.
     
    #5509     Jan 15, 2017
  10. algofy

    algofy

    What's so special about the first 30 mins? You call others clowns and dopey....I've yet to get any concrete anything out of all this drivel.
     
    #5510     Jan 15, 2017