Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. davroz

    davroz

    This is an enigmatic thread, I doubt the OP expected it to go on and on as it has.

    The strange TFF, The Famous Five one of which incidently is a mongrel, or better perhaps The Furious Five (kung fu panda).

    Why is the obvious not so obvious - means why do some people see what is, whilst others don't see no matter how much they try.

    There is the thread title, and then there is the original post by the OP with a specific question. The answer to the original post has been stated openly, and repeatedly. So why do some people still seek an answer when its already been given. Its because they don't recognise the answer for what it is and instead focus on what they want to see. They want to see a secret, which they think is hidden and whose existence is apparently hinted at by the thread title. They want to believe there is a golden key to unlock a trading secret, and that they can find thay key by solving the riddle of the charts.

    The key is already within you the trader, and how you think.

    The fantasy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=san61qTwWsU
     
    #3461     Feb 2, 2013
  2. iamdom

    iamdom

    The question is why is the obvious not always obvious? It becomes obvious afterwards from your new perspective.
    The obvious appears when you let go of habitual and automatic ways of thinking. It is when you let go of expectations and beliefs that creativity is allowed to come forth. The flow, the now or whatever you want to call it happens when the relation between subject and object is suspended or conceptual awareness (duality) is paused. Of course this cannot be understood conceptually nor can you enter the flow conceptually. Star athletes, or other exceptional people can access this place more than most. They are not smarter or harder working than us. Effort and struggle is the conceptual mind. An awareness is needed and this allows creativity to enter the world and take form. The ego is the block to this awareness. So how do you enter this place? "You" are already there.
     
    #3462     Feb 3, 2013
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  3. Redneck

    Redneck

    I’ll say this;

    Everything necessary is on a chart – always was… always will be

    Thinking harder only gives you headaches…, stress…, makes you pissed off.., frustrated…, lash out in anger…, cry in desperation… even try to make deals with the God, and/ or possibly even the devil

    (experience talking btw)


    By letting go and setting your mind free….… (we can only progress to what our lowest level of thought allows)

    And I don’t mean positive thinking… or having perpetual happy thoughts…, or any of that crap…

    I mean truly freeing your mind – by shedding all (every fucking stinking bit) of the bullshit

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    Not only will you’ll see the mkt differently…, but your self… your loved ones… people…, the world – everything / and all of it

    You will see things for what they are… no longer for what you think.., want…, or hope – they are

    ==================================

    Know, that if you can successfully complete this journey – as God is my witness – trading becomes easier than you could ever imagine..., or hope it to be


    But, also know this – this journey will more than make up for it… it’ll be a repeated kick in the nuts... it will make you question everything to your very core… it will tear you down to your very core – and it will force you to resurrect yourself and re-create your beliefs…

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    Recall the saying;

    It doesn't matter what you think…, only how


    Well you’ll never change the how… until… and unless – you first change the what…

    And ultimately the what – needs to be simple, complete, and absolute honesty & truth – about everything (and most will never get there)

    Now…, can some trade successfully and never bother with the above – I would imagine so… but then I ain't them – so I did what I had to

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    I admit the above sounds like utter guru bullshit – take it… or leave it – your choice

    But you did ask how to think differently… and I've told ya…

    btw come Monday – I’ll make money without even batting an eye – may even have a few losers along the way – or not – woopity flippin doo da


    Last thought;

    Your grammar is fine... your post - even better imo

    Success in your Journey Sir – should you decide to take it (your ass follows - wherever your mind leads)



    RN
     
    #3463     Feb 3, 2013
  4. Redneck

    Redneck

    For me - absolutely it does

    But..., guarantee - does not mean all my trades will be winners 100% of the time

    RN
     
    #3464     Feb 3, 2013
  5. Redneck

    Redneck

    To most I suppose it is :p

    But then it was never meant for most


    Rest assured - he is fine with it


    Yup - always was... always will be

    RN
     
    #3465     Feb 3, 2013
  6. Redneck

    Redneck

    If only we could open our eyes and see it

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    Never have I traveled so far - only to end back where I started - as I have when starting to learn this silly little thing called trading

    Although - my eyes are infinitely clearer now

    RN
     
    #3466     Feb 3, 2013
  7. 030985

    030985

    Thank you for your reply. We agree and as far as I am concerned I do not seek a 'secret' per se, but I want, as you say, to be able to 'recognize' this answer. Which means that for now I may not focus on the right things and my thinking process may not be appropriate. I think an important word in the first post of the thread is "pre-requisite".


    And this is what is puzzling : it is as if I could understand all this and see the point, but without knowing how to 'apply' it ( not that it is something we apply or what, but maybe you see what I mean )


    Thank you Sir for this reply, it is really appreciated.

    Yes, maybe it will sound 'guru-ish' to some, but I know there is no mystery or magic tricks involved, and the words you use, you use them because that is how it is and there is no really other way to say it. It will make perfect sense for people who are at the same 'level' or 'stage' if I may say so.
    May I say it is a bit like 'getting' wisdom ( I am not sure of the word to use ), or the flow of things, some seemingly simple sentences with simple words make sense only when we reach a certain 'level' or way of thinking and it will never make sense for most of people, however it is so obvious :).
    Well, maybe that's not this at all, but that is what your words make me think of.
    For now I am still on the path ( never ending one, with some steps more important than others, maybe as the flow of price and some levels more important than others :D ) and your words certainly make me think the 'what' and the 'how'.

    Best wishes, Sir. :)

    030985
     
    #3467     Feb 3, 2013
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    #3468     Feb 3, 2013
  9. IANAE

    IANAE

    I also know. I'm not attracted to day trading so it was more of an intellectual challenge for me to crack it. I don't think it's suited to the longer timeframes I use - weekly or monthly.

    I also wonder if it's peculiar to the NYSE because I can't say I've observed the same tendencies in stocks on my local exchange the FTSE. That may have something to do with the fact that in the UK stocks are subject to a 0.5% Government purchase tax (stamp duty).

    Even though I don't plan to use the technique itself, I gained a lot more than this from reading the thread.

    It's an eye opener if you open your eyes and your mind.
     
    #3469     Feb 5, 2013
  10. you got it all wrong IT IS for a shorter time period.
     
    #3470     Feb 5, 2013