Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. If we do pass the level, with low volume that would indicate that buyers are no longer following the this trend. So there is no added high volume selling pressure helping keep things on track. This means that anything can happen... I woudl imagine ?
     
    #3391     Jan 15, 2013
  2. I tend to not assume the obvious so I may be out of line.
    However, with most platforms, if you click and drag down on the price axis (or time axis) the chart will be moved, or for that matter squished.

    This will drastically change and alter the angel. Also, from one platform to the other there may be a difference.

    That is not to say that if you do not play around with the axis the system is not good.

    Again my assumptions may be wrong. Just thought Id give a heads up. Also, if you are heavy on the trend lines and change time frames there are other things to watch out for that are not user dependant. Let me know if this is the case.
     
    #3392     Jan 18, 2013
  3. Redneck

    Redneck

    BD,

    You are on the correct path Sir..., but please think it through some more

    jmho
    RN
     
    #3393     Jan 20, 2013
  4. Create the initial top/bottom with some opposite price movement and draw in 'majority' volume

    Slam it through that top/bottom point one more time to gobble up all the stops

    Take market the other way
     
    #3394     Jan 20, 2013
  5. Redneck

    Redneck

    Recall on the other thread I suggested you identify the players – and this post is a perfect example why…


    If you were one of the few (just sayin) would you really be concerned about a few K of shares in stops

    or

    Would that be of interest to a different player

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    Now having said that;

    If in fact, a transfer of shares were underway – chances are the PA would be back and forth (choppy you might even say)


    So back and forth/ choppy could be describing either – stop hunting… a transfer… a combination... or obviously a lack of everything

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    And as we know, before price makes a big move – it typically likes to make a counter move to evacuate the wee little ones – you think the few give a shit about us wee ones


    Hmmm, makes ya wonder if there is a way to identify these different scenarios – and which player(s) has/ have the control - or are AWOL

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    I would also add;

    There is control…. Then there is the illusion of control – and it typically involves two totally different players


    Probably worth a study BD


    RN
     
    #3395     Jan 21, 2013
  6. Onra

    Onra

    Hi Redneck,

    Are you referring to Market Makers / Brokers (hunting stops) and Big Players (transferring large numbers of shares)?
    Should we look at volume?

    Thank you.
     
    #3396     Jan 21, 2013
  7. achilles28

    achilles28

    2B reversal.

    Other typew of reversal patterns exist

    How about a pullback reversal (ie trend continuation)?
     
    #3397     Jan 21, 2013
  8. The Players:

    Market Makers: Access to book of orders, know where stops bottle up and where big institutional orders will be set off. Have the ability to take the other side or go with any of the above (and hedge). Will generally go with bigs and take the other side of retail stops.

    Big Institutional funds: Re allocate and roll positions regularly, probably not to concerned about execution. Allows market makers to work the book with no concern to them other than VWAP metric.

    Retail Traders: Predictable masses that can be prodded along with a little 'propaganda'

    Insiders, Elite: ????
    Create PA. Do the opposite of the general public. That's all I got to say about that.
     
    #3398     Jan 21, 2013
  9. why posting JH alike crapola?
     
    #3399     Jan 21, 2013
  10. RN,

    Fortunately someone posted a rather expensive book online I have been gobbling up the past 2 days thanks to the flu. Time, scratch that 'duration' is the central theme.

    Since PA can generally look the same, just the way they want, the only variable that leaves us to help distinguish what is really going on is where we are in the cycle (which greatly reduces the variable of 'being wrong').

    I PM'ed you another link I stumbled across....not saying I'm going to read the Ra Material..yet
     
    #3400     Jan 21, 2013