Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. well fuk me..that takes the biscuit:eek:

    anyway..no more leechers..password protection is now enforced..and passwords will only be provided by PM to those who request same..and..if TO does not like same..then they will not get passwords:D

    who knows..maybe NY and TE might even contribute:)

    TO
     
    #3181     Jul 15, 2012
  2. baro-san

    baro-san

    Jack posts as he trades. He takes the market's offer without predicting. He reacts to detractors (when posting) as he reacts to market's swings due to news (when trading). Jack integrates those unusual events in the moves on his posting / trading fractal. Whoever follows his posting fractal takes the forum's offer of useful information, in the same way as following a trading fractal allows the taking of the market's offer.
     
    #3182     Jul 15, 2012
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  3. historical note:

    Mark Brown, a vender of little note, picked up on a prior joke I made. The joke took on some realtiy and became a CW oriented myth in ET and elswhere.

    So today it is a guilibility test for ET members and moderators.

    Reminder for Monday's open (in terms of Why the obvoius is not so obvious, the thread topic):

    A long completed (bar71) late on Friday. An immediate reversal (long exit/short entry) took us into a short. On bar 78 the RTH margin ended. Most skilled traded would then get a margin call. To preclude this, during the appropriate best advantage (Look at the exisiting upper Wall on the DOM) most traders would enter a market order 1 tick below the Wall and exit for the day. See 2 ticks below the top of bar 77.

    the trend channel was set by bars 75 (point 1) and bar 81 (bar 81). The liany of the primary OOE is P1 on bar 72 and 73; T1 on bar 74; and completion of the first trend move on bar 75. (P1 to Ti (at BO of RTL) to pt2. fro geometric reasons on price the top of bar 75 becomes pt1 and the bottom of bar 75 becomes pt2.)

    Volume values for the trends peaks and troughs are set serially as the trend progresses. P1 is replaced on bar 77 and and P2 is replaced on bar 78, each for different not obvious reasons to CW type potential traders.

    bar 81 a lateral BO gave us pt3 of the parallelogram. This is a very important signal for ending the second move of price in the trading trend (short in sentiment).

    after the sceond move is signalled to have ended, then the LAST move begins. The trading trend segment and the thrid move end simultaneously. So the serious trader turns to monitoring the leading signals of the subtrend of the trading trend. there are 12 of these. They peel off just as a squadron of fighter jets would have in the past old fashion warfare of bygone days. Now we use unmanned droned piloted by folks in Tucson remotely fighting in the EAST. No PTSD results.

    So on the first 12 seconds of Monday's open the entry is short.
    Give a look at the OOE of the subfractal to see either its shortcut or its normal flight path. If you like logging ahead of time (5 to 15 minutes) you can mark both rows on the log that are potential trading bars.

    Depending on your skill level you can do the trade when either bar is "certain" as shown by the logic sheet used to code the ATS. Use a coloered ball point ben to follow the unilateral pathways on the logic sheets. If the earliest short cut is "killed", then you are certain two bars ahead when the carve the turn on the second path. Knowing that you know is very calming.

    Do not spent time on targets nor setting stops. Both of these things are detrimental to differentiating you mind fully.

    All the above in trading parlance is referred to as a CALL. I usually do CALLS two or three bars ahead of the current bar. What does this style of trading achieve? In ET it achieves hits and criticisms from others.

    for the astute trader it "steers and focuses" the traders mind to the correct places to measure and to use the correct measures.

    the place have names in the OOE. the OOE of the test procedure tell you the step by step means to know that you know.

    In this thread anyone is free to watch me call the market. anyone is free to critique me. anyone is free to say all the negative descriptors she can think up. anyone with questions may be moderated off this thread as just happened when a superior question was asked. It was repeated alsewhere and answered elsewhere.

    The password is TFF.
     
    #3183     Jul 15, 2012
  4. this bare unembellished chart was displayed in this thread to show (visually) the starting point of what a person would see looking over my shoulder to see two of my screens.

    by turning to the left, he would see my trading platform and many of the leading indicators. This is the screen that drew the comment: "Wow that's 13,000 dollars in one account in 9 minutes"

    by looking at the three spaces where I have 5 three ring binders open he would see the prior day's OED chart, the cheat sheet binder open to the page of the market, A binder filled with tested annotated examples of every possible End Event; a Binder of textual lead ins to the examples (thickest); and a reversechron file of my contemproary writtne note and illustrations. All five binders have a cross referencing system of deates and bars and pagesnumbers. each binder is numbered uniquely.

    I use snagit for snapshots that go to a remote printer. I use dragon 9 for texting orally during RTH.

    As to your Q; I do not put volume annotations on price bars or vice versa. You may not see the paralleling of added deggrees of freedom on each the volume and price on the empty chart. It is not very empty before I begin the "annotate" both price and volume. There are years and years of annotated charts.

    My log is on a writing shelf directly in from of me; below the shelf are three keyboards. My mice are on the shelf above each filled page is placed above the prior EOD binder chart on top of the verso of that page.

    Before a person annotates he has to be able to se the market and know he know what is important to look at.

    My DOM and T&S are automatically and fully annotated by my IB who provides them. (See Larry Harris vocabulary)
     
    #3184     Jul 15, 2012
  5. testing..123..testing..123..testing123

    S&P Moves_Fri_13Jul12.png

    http://s1159.photobucket.com/albums/p637/TOakaTheOracle/

    please let me know if u can see the chart?

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    TO

    note..passwords will only be provided to those who make a request in this thread..please do no send TO a private PM requesting a password..for..if TO refuses to give u a password..he will explain why in this thread
     
    #3185     Jul 15, 2012
  6. Mysteron

    Mysteron

    Should be interesting to see what happens :cool:

    OK, may I have the password please?
     
    #3186     Jul 15, 2012
  7. of course MN..pswd sent..for u know how to behave like an adult:D

    TO has also installed camtasia studio..so FFT setup can be recorded during development..testing..and trading..but for now will only be posting videos of excel portion..to explain a bit more about TO's way of looking at T&S..for those who want to know

    TO
     
    #3187     Jul 15, 2012
  8. MN..u can see from the chart..we have first target for tmrw's open..and the target is +..but..it is just a target..remember..what matters most is what actually happens..so..be prepared for what might be..and react to what is

    the first chart will get things going..additional work is required to cover both long and short potentials..so..there is always work to be done in prep for market open..and that is why living in EU is nice..u have all morn to prepare:D

    TO
     
    #3188     Jul 15, 2012
  9. Mysteron

    Mysteron

    I see the chart now, thanks.
     
    #3189     Jul 15, 2012
  10. You & Redneck say not to read trading books..............to stop listening to other people...............to stop searching for trading tips..................and instead to think for yourself & actually use your brain.

    But then you post charts here that require passwords & talk about actual trades & you obviously post here so people will read your posts.

    So how does that differ from somebody reading a trading book? You & Redneck can't be the only 2 traders in the world that don't write rubbish.

    Do you think the people that read this thread are still stuck in the same loop searching & searching for trading advice from the brain of somebody else?
    That would seem to be the conclusion based on all that you have written.

    So I see the value in your past posts about thinking & Montaigne & Boyd & other similar thoughts, but now that you're going into actual charts & trading tips how does that differ from a trading book............many of which can be found for free on the internet or at the library?

    Anyway..........can I have a password? :)
     
    #3190     Jul 15, 2012