Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. rossky

    rossky

    "C" for Convergence/Confluence - have at least two reasons to enter the trade?
     
    #2601     Nov 11, 2011
  2. Mysteron

    Mysteron

    I don't know the answer unfortunately.

    Big size , small red colour is all I can make of it. But what does size refer to? Large volume with a relatively small price bar indicating a possible turning point.

    As for orders being split, I noticed that with CLF any attempt to trade more than 100 shares would often result in a requote even though the daily volume was over 4 million. So it would be more reliable to trade in lots of 100 shares. That always seemed strange as I could trade other stocks for larger amounts without requotes.

    I'm puzzled by POT, it's not in the S&P500 so why did you consider it and what process led you to it? Was it found from a search for stocks with adequate range, acceptable price and sufficient volume with a series of HH and HL possibly?
     
    #2602     Nov 11, 2011
  3. Redneck

    Redneck

    Just giving hints…, not trying to show off

    Size - yep
    Color - yep
    The last one - First word rapid…, ninth word small

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    And my piss poor attempt at a rhyme to help (rhyming has never been one of my better skills)


    A tiny bit of pb
    Certain helps id
    That condition we all know – as the odiferous bo
    Rapidly accelerating – best the smell continues on without repeat or loiter
    Tis best at this time – we never be credited as being a stinky ole dawdler

    Having said what I think – now only one left to go
    I suspect we could call this whole stink – that which has mo mo

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    Side note

    I recall when I was learning (and I still learn every day btw), folks would dangle enigmas in front of me, but never provided anything else – pissed me off to no end

    Not busting on anyone – just sayin…

    Because there is great value…, and it is absolutely necessary to do the work – to make what ever is shared – your own

    Fore if you don’t do the work – rest assured – when it comes time for the nut cutting (standing stead fast, while trading, in the face of the many variations of uncertainty the market creates) – you will fold… (either hesitating on entries…, or exiting a winner early…, or not exiting a loser quickly... and/ or become confused by all the gyrations )


    Then you’ll face double the work.., as those bad lessons become ingrained in you – the work to unlearn… and then the work to learn correctly

    That is frustrating... and it sucks

    That poem say it all btw


    RN
     
    #2603     Nov 12, 2011
  4. Redneck

    Redneck

    Measured moves – are but one way to identify potential targets.., and are derived off previous swing highs/ lows

    Another is to measure the tick count of each swing, average it, then extrapolate that out


    My preferred method is to identify S&R areas, and use a channel – then extrapolate that our (call it trading/ tracking price vertically and diagonally)

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    Simple observation

    When faced with an unknown – it appears many are gravitating to the complicated – for answers

    The mkt is not complicated.., trading is not complicated – KISS

    Try gravitating instead toward the simple and obvious – for therein usually lies the best answer

    Layers of complication – is simply a manifestation of one’s ego – lose it

    RN
     
    #2604     Nov 12, 2011
  5. i do agree with RN..it is a bastard to get snippets of information..and not the whole damn lot..but..always think of what Montaigne said..unless u want to end up like on of them:D

    To return to my subject, there is nothing like alluring the appetite and affections; otherwise you make nothing but so many asses laden with books; by dint of the lash, you give them their pocketful learning to keep; whereas, to do well, you should not only lodge it with them, but make them espouse it.
     
    #2605     Nov 12, 2011
  6. again..RN is of course correct..keep it simple stupid:)

    just to reiterate..there is no good way or bad way to trade..there is only ONE way..and that is the way that makes YOU money

    if u are not making money then stop trading the way u are..for an idiot would only continue

    if u practice the simple rules discussed..and i am not repeating them
    :D..u will be way ahead of most who try..and ultimately fail

    experience is required..do not be fooled by what others say and do..including TFF :D..for..there are no shortcuts..no matter what anyone shows u

    ur progress will be a factor of your commitment and your understanding..meaning..ur ability to act and react to what is actually happening

    of course u can make good money by buying/shorting and holding..big money in fact..but u can also lose big money..and..unless u can afford to lose big money..do not take the chance..for there is no reason to do so..for..u can make good money and risk a small amount of what u have at the same time

    it is called..using ur head:)

    TO
     
    #2606     Nov 12, 2011
  7. do u remember the rhymes u learned as a child..they are burned into ur mind forever

    jack and jill
    little miss muffet
    etc..etc..etc

    then we move on to some more advanced ones..like

    je suis..i am a gentleman
    tu est..you are a fool
    il est..he is the biggest ass
    that ever went to school:D

    do not underestimate the power of rhymes..for the mind has a tendency to do its own thing at certain times..especially when trading

    here is one simple rhyme to learn:)

    RSC..WHAT DO I SEE


    we know what size is..it is the transaction size
    we know what color is..or do we?

    so..before we figure out what the rhyme really means..what does c for color really mean..as some may be just a little bit surprised at the answer in the context of the rhyme?

    TO
     
    #2607     Nov 12, 2011
  8. I agree and I'm on the verge of calling it quits. For the life of me I can't prevent thoughts of where I think price is going from entering the decision making process. Frustrating as hell. As it doesn't allow me to differentiate between good and bad trades, letting winners run or taking profits, tight stops or let it breathe. What characteristics should I be looking for in the stock? When, where, and why. No trading plan = max pain. Trading easy? Yes, I buy it. Right after I sell it for half.
     
    #2608     Nov 12, 2011
  9. well BD..all of ur problems can be seen in the mirror:)

    He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears.

    u see..it takes a while to fully understand what is really happening..and i do not mean what is happening in the markets..for we have no control what so ever over that

    what u must understand..is..that 99.999% of it is all bullshit..rubbish..crap..dung

    when u really understand this u will look at price in a totally different way..and..if u are willing and able..will do what is required to let u win

    of course..as i will not lie to you..as with everything in life..there are hard ways..and there are easy ways

    some find what is an easy way for them..while this can be a very hard way for someone else..it all depends on ur individual circumstances..such as..where u live..ur timezone..if u have a full time job..how many hours u have free per day..if u are married..and have 1..2..3..or 6 children:eek: :)

    it is no different than any other career..it will be affected by ur circumstances..so..u must first accept what u have and where u are..and start from there..otherwise..u might just end up like most of the dumb asses that throw their hard earned money away to fools and idiots who are ready and waiting to take it..be it information sellers..or fund managers..or any others..u know what i mean

    the first big decison..is..to say..fuck them all..i can do this myself..even my own pension..and those fuk heads can rip off the rest of soooooociet(hick)y

    we all know what goes on in the financial industry..for..it is just a continuation of what Montaigne correctly identified back in 1580..and today we are in the exact same position..well..correction..most are..that is..if u let it be so..for..some of us have decided to tell them to fuk off..a long time ago:D

    where was i..oh yes..trading:)

    capital..risk control..method..action..dedication..experience..and finally..common fuking sense:D

    u see..the problem is always in YOUR head..and the only person that can solve it..is YOURSELF

    We can be knowledgable with other men's knowledge but we cannot be wise with other men's wisdom.

    TO
     
    #2609     Nov 12, 2011
  10. Mysteron

    Mysteron

    eye, eye, cunt (no offence intended) :cool:
     
    #2610     Nov 12, 2011