Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. Redneck

    Redneck



    Thank You Placebo :)

    Most(ly) perceptive, but let me ask you this


    S&R lines.., Trend lines..., and Channel lines (A Rose by any other name)

    Why are they not the same, only on a different plane

    Do they not serve the same purpose

    Do they not define the same

    Do they not both provide a direction.., and direction

    Having asked this, please do not minimize X’s post

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    What leads price, because it has to – (for smart money to make money, it first needs to position dumb money – no?)

    What would that look like


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    Damn I ask a lot of questions, small wonder I’m such a dumbass

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    TF’s are not discrete, the higher are built on the backs of the smaller (so much for random..., and I do view smaller ones as microscopes)

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    Side Note

    Someone PM’d me and asked if my way trading is evolving – hardly… (although admittedly I must continually evolve as price evolves)


    Many times I’ve stated there are more ways to trade than I could count…, why would I ever want to shove my way down anyone’s throat

    So just because I speak of some things, does not necessarily mean anything (we each must find what makes sense to us – and I respect that)

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    Once you understand price structure, these various ways of trading all make sense…

    Then the only things remaining are patience, discipline, and open-mindedness

    Either you have them…, or you don’t

    Your PnL will accurately reflect this

    RN
     
    #2401     Oct 30, 2011
  2. Redneck

    Redneck

    One other thought

    Is a candle not a range, regardless of the TF it was build in

    So now I suppose I only trade ranges - may be.. then again may be not :)

    RN
     
    #2402     Oct 30, 2011
  3. Placebo

    Placebo


    What matters is what something is, not what it is called.

    Got it, they are all an attempt by traders to find the direction of price.

    Well this has always had me scratching my head. How price comes back (at some point) to shake you out and the default is to lose money. Incredibly efficient.

    Never quite been able to fathom how that mechanism works, but you have got me thinking when you said about time frames.

    Is this what you mean by price structure?

    By the way, I've spotted something I've never seen before in your charts, thanks.
     
    #2403     Oct 30, 2011
  4. LOL ....

    Look more closely at the feedback loops on the OODA chart (you may never have seen one.

    Act in OODA means "place your Bet"

    In OODA after placing your bet you do a feedback loop and find out if your bet was correct.

    MADA uses set theory of logic. You match what you see with the unique piece of inference in the fully differentiated finite set of inference. This tells you where you are in the spectrum whose differentiation is an arrangement of adjacent pieces of inference.

    If you have done team acrobatics while flying, you can easily conclude you want the "target" ship in front of you. You are NOT front running the traget. Your "win" is shooting forward of your position and not using armament that faces behind you.

    You may notice in movies to day that heat seeking missles are often used. They leave their carrier going forward at velocities GREATER than the launcher. In this way they move forward to a target by closing on the target.

    In trading, someday you may find out what being "one step ahead is".

    steps relate to "events". "Events", strange as it seems to you so far, do follow an order. Our short hand is:

    B2B 2R 2B for a long half cycle. What follows is R2R 2B 2R for a short. then a long follows a short, etc...

    Do you think this is what fighter pilots do? They do not.

    For the expert trading that we do; we slip to the right and raw a vertical line. There we watch the next event (unseen to you) as it moves from the future into the Present.

    Drills build the mind. The mind creates through its neuro plasticity an ordered spectrum. When the senses show a piece, the mind adds the corresponding one-on-one piece of inference already in the mind as long term memory. The sum is called perception.

    In MADA this is M and A. Since there is an order of events, the expert trader just coasts along until it is decision making time and he decides the behavioral action. And then at his liesure he carves the turn using partial fills to coolect enough "chicken feed" from small players to fill the carved REVERSAL. This also extablishes the begining of his next profit segment.

    As I appraoch an airbase or port, I get rid of extra energy with a few manuvers before I do my approach.

    My ship is about 840 pounds and costs about 120K. So I head straight up. until I am motionless. I kick the ruder andthe ship fans sideways 180 degrees. Now I am facing stright down so a go down and repat a few times until my altidude at peak is not too much. then i bank out of thedive and go do my approach.

    As I get over the runway, I shut down the wings by using the full spoilers. I turn into a rock and release the spoiler when I feel I have just enough speed to run the runway and turn onto the hanger pad in front of the hanger open doors. They spin the ship 180 and drag it into the front of the hanger. I don't do OODA when I am in command. LOL ....
     
    #2404     Oct 30, 2011

  5. The lines on the chart are a little messed up.

    If they were drawn from rules or something, then the design of the rules was at fault.

    It looks like the chart is drawn from an up/down orientation.

    Notice the part of the chart that is not annotated; probably an undercite.
     
    #2405     Oct 30, 2011
  6. even one eyed jack missed it:D

    what stands out in the ooda pic!
     
    #2406     Oct 30, 2011
  7. i must say ZT..u do not speak much..but when u do u ask the right questions:)

    like RN has said..many times..there are many many ways to trade..and..the best way for u..is the way that makes u money..simple

    one way to try..is to start with the nearest s&r lines..and draw them first..again..does this not sound like common sense:D

    i would classify myself as a ADR trader:)

    TO
     
    #2407     Oct 30, 2011
  8. now now jack..that is very funny coming from u..a major shareholder in crayola:D

    [​IMG]
     
    #2408     Oct 30, 2011
  9. A vector for me is an element containing both magnitude and direction.

    Sorry you didn't understand that I used the conventional definition
     
    #2409     Oct 30, 2011
  10. rossky

    rossky

    Suddenly, everything has become obvious. :)
     
    #2410     Oct 30, 2011