Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by nysestocks, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. Mysteron

    Mysteron

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    #1441     Aug 27, 2011
  2. J Ski

    J Ski

    I can say, that here I'll
    take a little poetry break.
    And, before I forget,
    ungrateful asshole that I am,
    I haven't thanked the originator/s of this thread till now.
    Thank you for staying with those of us and me that
    are working through this thread.
    Also, thank you for the black box thread.
    I know it has to be hard to see narrow minded people
    coming into thread and posting disparaging comments and
    then personally attacking you for posting what you post.
    It's internet anonymity is all.
    Like the soccer mom that road rages in the suburban.
    Degradation of society and civility.
    Not logical, and like I have learned, logic, the market, my behavior
    still defies logic.
    I had quite a week this week.
    I had a $300 net loss in my account since I took it back.
    Now it is -$94.
    Actually the account is negative $4000, the account was being managed and suffered some losses.
    Small account and I know you guys do big trades and the market is no place for the little guy is what I have been told.
    I truly am coming to realize the wisdom of what you write.
    I neglected to read things that are good for the mind.
    I had wiped out the loss I created in my account, Friday.
    Then I got taught a good lesson. Still exited the trade and made $149,
    and could have had the $400 and ended up with $149.
    I am ashamed.
     
    #1442     Aug 27, 2011
  3. KGB
     
    #1443     Aug 27, 2011
  4. Mysteron

    Mysteron

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    Theres lots of ways of using blue, e.g. to flag up a doji or a range bar that is small compared to an average.

    The sim trading facility on ProRealTime has often misbehaved on the few occasions that I've played with it, resulting in large gains that aren't realistic.

    I'll try eSignal LiveCharts for a 'Risk-free, 30 day trial'.
     
    #1444     Aug 28, 2011
  5. J Ski

    J Ski

    What has been stated so far, is that
    you have to start trading.
    I have looked around for a sim and maybe
    the one mentioned would be good to try.
    I don't know if at this point it makes sense.
    I went ahead and traded this past week.

    Looking at what I have done
    Bought INTC at $22.86.
    My intent was to purchase a dividend core stock.
    As of this Friday I have a 13.52 % loss, just on that stock.
    I am comfortable with maybe one day trade and
    then some holding a few days or longer.
    Have been reading and re-reading, and have stripped
    everything from the charts now. Only price and volume.
    Through Fidelity, they have supplied Active Trader Pro,real-time quotes, level II quotes, and I have been learning how to enter orders with the software. They extended the trial period to the software, and it is not costing me to use it right now.Maybe not the best platform but this
    is where I am now.

    Edit:
    There is no logic to the market. There is fear, greed, sickness,
    HFT, (and the list goes on) working against me and for me, if I can perceive what is going on then I can execute a trade.
    I forgot the most important thing.
    I know nothing.
    I know nothing about where the price is going.
    I don't have to know where the price is going, the market will
    tell me where it is going.
    Look at time of day.
    Take a piece of the move for the one day trade I will do.
    Don't enter a trailing stop, but have it in mind and order screen up,
    limit order to sell when it hits the price.
    Don't be a pig.
    Don't look for a big move, the "hit" that alot of people (self included)
    fantasize about.
    The black box thread has helped me to understand that the ego,
    (I'm not a Freudian, but Behaviorist) is not my friend.

    I have to work on my fear.
    It is debilitating.
     
    #1445     Aug 28, 2011
  6. The Story Of WS

    one day i woke..it was no joke
    the light was clear..just like the beer:)
    i kicked my ass..for now alas
    to see how blind..i was that kind

    the price did move..into the groove
    and in i went..but not all spent
    the red did show..but so but so
    and out i got..in a shot:D

    now i wait..not catch the bait
    for i do see..what make it be
    the groove again..i use the pen
    to know the size..and fill the eyes

    but red again..the blasted pen
    the good old box..has saved my SOX:cool:
    i keep the cool..for now now fool
    and play to show..double zero:)

    three times is here..so in with cheer
    this time the green..do show its sheen
    the pen is quick..and makes it thick
    it moves so nice..just like the dice

    and NOW i know..the time to show
    what makes it real..for all who steal
    i close it all..and not so small
    for size you see..what makes it be

    the power is down..for time no clown
    i do not risk..when all is brisk
    let others do..what seems so true
    but all i care..is bank not bare:D

    so when you think..what's in the ink
    know for sure..it is so pure
    avoid the shite..with all your might
    and soon you see..how it easy

    the key is this..in case you miss
    two times wrong..is no real song
    the next one might..also be shite
    what is will be..no change can we

    but when in green..you watch that sheen
    and move so quick..as if your dick
    caught in your zip..up to your hip
    just get it out..before you shout:D

    alas and now..the big fat cow
    it's udder's low..no milk will flow
    but why care i..for i no boy
    am now so tall..and yet so small

    just think of this..and you will piss
    2 wrong 1 right..no need to shite
    the maths will show..how it will grow
    and no more bliss..it's so so OBVIOUS:D :)

    well done WS..you are using that big blob of grey matter stuck between your two ears..after all..that is exactly what it is there for..not for making money for a bunch of idiots who know everything about nothing:D

    TO
     
    #1446     Aug 29, 2011
  7. MN..i am going to give you another bollixin..as you seem to need it!

    forget about all the shite!!!!!

    you have access to live charts with a CFD account..do you not?

    this is all you need..you can have volume showing at the bottom if you like but you do not need it..as most of it is meaningless and does not have any effect on the outcome if you stick to your plan

    the $TICK is useful..that i will agree with..but again only at certain TIMES

    take 1 stock..forget the rest..make sure it has an ADR of at least 50 cent and trades at least 2+ mil shares per day..trade the stock until you SEE what is actually happening..and WHEN

    if you can master this for 1 stock..then bob's your uncle


    and..remember..if your aunt had balls she would be your uncle :D
     
    #1447     Aug 29, 2011
  8. you must be prepared to work and not sit on your ass like most people do..the reason why most people lose money is because they are too damn lazy to think for themselves..they all want the handy way..just show me and i will do it:eek:

    wakey wakey time:D

    there is no handy way..only the same way that anyone becomes good at what they are trying to do..and that is called experience

    forget about all the assholes out there who post loads of shite about nothing..as mentioned to MN..make sure your stock MOVES enough so that you can extract some profit..make sure there is enough liquidity..no good trading a penny stock that trades a few K shares each day..they are for the real idiots who really know nothing about what moves prices

    for fuck sake(nicey picey talk is no good btw :D)..do you not see the logic in mastering one stock first..if you can do this then it becomes easy peasy..like picking money off the ground

    trade..trade..trade..and then trade some more..trade 50 to 100 shares at first..no more..and NEVER EVER give your money to some stupid idiot who will gladly take it..use it to learn the real way..by live trading..everything else is just a fairy tale

    TO
     
    #1448     Aug 29, 2011
  9. Mysteron

    Mysteron

    Those coloured bars I showed were 5min range bars, not volume.:cool:
     
    #1449     Aug 30, 2011
  10. J Ski

    J Ski

    So did you say,
    to find the way,
    cleared the slate,
    no loss I did ate,
    3 were green,
    and one bastard in red,
    was always to be seen,
    so cut it I did,
    been too stupid,
    loss cut,
    the other run,
    so a good lesson so far,
    a test to the bar,
    one stock shall I choose,
    since I don't drink the booze,
    find one to look at,
    with volume to bat,
    rereading the thread,
    to see where I'm at,
    so far the obvious eludes,
    means to do more etudes.
     
    #1450     Aug 31, 2011