"Sep21 2850/2870/2935/2955 is 7.90 last; risking 12.10. 5D at inception. 30? " Dude, I'm not your coach. You either know and manage by the greeks or you don't. I can concoct a crappy trade for you along with a winner. I have time for you or your pseudo trade. However, I need to get up early and since the Elite Traders seems to think common income option spreads don't work, well let me thank you from the bottom of my wallet because my account thinks otherwise. I've been doing mostly 10 day calendars over the past month and they've been paying off better than an ATM - $1000 every trade every 48 hours. I have a sizable RUT calendar and a crude oil butterfly on, plus I need to add another 40 lot SPX broken wing butterfly in the morning. Goodnight and goodbye.