Why Interactive Brokers Founder Fears Bitcoin Futures

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by ajacobson, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. Sig

    Sig

    Just out of curiosity since I haven't done this, what's the delay on each side when you use this method? i.e. if you want to put a trade in using your money that's in the Treasury, how long of a delay between you asking to liquidate the treasury and the FCM being able to place the trade?
     
    #51     Nov 20, 2017
  2. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    They don't make the trade. You buy the treasuries directly from the Govt (very easy to do online) and then transfer the treasury into your FCM. So instead of depositing cash at your broker, you transfer your treasury holdings. It's possible some of the bigger brokers have the ability to buy the Treasuries for you but I wouldn't do that.
     
    #52     Nov 20, 2017
  3. Just curious as to why you wouldn't do that?

    I hold a 6mo treasury at RJO used as margin and they roll it for me every 6 months at auction. They assure me it's being held under my name in a firm account but i guess there is no way for me to really know.
     
    #53     Nov 20, 2017
  4. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I just think in general all things being equal, it's better to be in control of these things then letting someone do it for us. I don't believe it's an issue of RJO doing anything nefarious. I just think in general the financial industry makes certain things easy for you to hand over control of some process. You can get the cusip number from them so you know it's there but what you are doing is fine.
     
    #54     Nov 20, 2017
  5. traderjo

    traderjo

    So at retail level what is the procedure? and what would be min size? and is this doable for non US residents?
     
    #55     Nov 20, 2017
  6. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Peterfy gave another interview on it today. So basically they will not allow shorting of the futures and the margin will be 50% for the longs. Bottom line, this thing is DOA at least for now. If brokers aren't going to allow shorting there won't be a two sided market. And since many other brokers are waiting for liquidity before they let their clients jump in this might be the biggest nothing burger of all time.
     
    #56     Dec 7, 2017
  7. truetype

    truetype

    The bulge-bracket firms won't be Day-1 participants. (I touched base with four of them today). Only the 2d/3d tier FCMs will be.
     
    #57     Dec 7, 2017
  8. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    I think he also said that they will charge $5/side.
     
    #58     Dec 7, 2017
  9. This is from the FIA (Futures Industry Association) open letter:

    "As the principal members of derivatives clearinghouses worldwide, FIA's 64 clearing members play a critical role in the reduction of systemic risk by

    (1) guaranteeing their customers’ trades,
    (2) contributing to the guarantee funds of clearinghouses and
    (3) committing to assessment obligations during clearinghouse shortfalls."

    https://fia.org/articles/open-lette...-regarding-listing-cryptocurrency-derivatives

    (I added the numbers for clarity)

    --> Does anyone know the maximum possible loss that IB would suffer from (2) and (3) for both CME and CBOE?
     
    #59     Dec 7, 2017
  10. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    By Jan 1 they will all be in.
     
    #60     Dec 7, 2017