Why has the turtle trend-following system stop working?

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by helpme_please, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. Because "systems" do not work. Never have, never will. But as long as imbeciles are around to buy into it with real $$$ charlatans will sell them
     
    #241     Sep 28, 2015
  2. LOL two charlatans having a pissing match, priceless!
     
    #242     Sep 28, 2015
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  3. It probably still works...have you tried it for more than a year ?
     
    #243     Oct 4, 2015
  4. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    What do you mean by "works"? It was profitable in the 70s-80s before simple trend-following indicators and charts were available to everyone. Back then, you had to have coding knowledge, very expensive/clunky software or plot everything by hand. It stopped being profitable when the markets got choppy in the early 90s and trading software got better and more widely available. I don't have a backtest, but I'm almost sure Turtle has underperformed the S&P 500 (especially when adjusted for risk) since the 1990s. No disrespect to the Turtle creators, though--it was a genius and very profitable system in the beginning. A small group of traders probably made enough to retire in 5-10 years if they managed their funds right. That's a very rare occurrence, despite what the gurus say. And yes, even when Turtle "worked," there were 50% drawdowns that many (most) people couldn't handle.

    Its still does well during brief periods of market volatility...and occasionally for an entire year like 2008. But it slowly churns your account away the rest of the time. I was on an email list for someone peddling Russell Sands' auto-trading programs. Whenever the market was volatile (like Feb. or Dec. of last year), they'd tell you how much money they'd made in the last few weeks...but never showed long-term performance. There's a reason they do that.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2019
    #244     Apr 2, 2019
  5. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    Something similar happened in forex trading around 2004-2006. It was getting popular, and currencies were making big moves at the time. Almost any longer-term system capturing trends/vol worked. I came in too late for that, but I remember interacting with a guy called "Soultrader" on some forums. He started a fund that did great for a couple years and almost brought in enough AUM for the fund managers to be set for life. Then the FX markets settled down and their system fell apart. Same story, different time and trading instrument. I haven't read it, but he wrote a book about the experience called "The Holy Grail Forex Trading System" (and no, he's not trying to pitch the system--just explaining what happened).
     
    #245     Apr 2, 2019

  6. Trend following works just look at TSLA stock price. The trend is to the moon
     
    #246     Feb 14, 2020
  7. ninner

    ninner

    turtle trading still works....look at msft, aapl, eurusd, audusd, nzdusd etc etc lol
     
    #247     Feb 15, 2020
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  8. We are twice as far removed in time from the turtles as the turtles were from the NYSE being closed on Wednesdays to process paperwork.
     
    #248     Feb 16, 2020
  9. schizo

    schizo

    What is the definition of TREND anyway? It's all relative.
     
    #249     Feb 16, 2020
  10. You can't selectively choose a few securities and say something still works. ANything can work when one selectively choose the success cases.
     
    #250     Feb 16, 2020
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