Why has liquidity vanished in the ES ?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Pantalaimon, Apr 24, 2025.

  1. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Yes obviously size was moving away for years and years but the closing still had some effect.
     
    #11     Apr 24, 2025
  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    What has that response got to do with OP's question?
     
    #12     Apr 24, 2025
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  3. Businessman

    Businessman

    That would suggest as volume in the pit declined and eventually reached 0 when they closed. Everything else being equal, it would mean volume and liquidity would increase in the electronic market not decrease as all the orders moved over.
     
    #13     Apr 24, 2025
  4. 2rosy

    2rosy

    nothing moved over because there was nothing in the pit other than 2 filling brokers and 1 or 2 traders trying to stay awake. visually it was hilarious.
     
    #14     Apr 24, 2025
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    CME says (eMini is not broken out separately but it is the biggie, so I assume, it like all the others continues to set records):-

    Market uncertainty drives record Equity futures and options activity
    Increased volatility in the U.S. equity market drove strong activity in futures and options trading as participants continue to turn to our markets to manage exposure. Equities achieved a record quarterly average daily volume (ADV) of 8M contracts in Q1.

    Volatility in the U.S. equity market is largely propelled by ‌trade tariff uncertainty, which has reignited inflation predictions and shaken investor confidence. This has led to considerable rotations between growth and value sectors, with the technology and consumer discretionary sector experiencing significant pullbacks.

    + + +

    Am I wrong to assume that?
     
    #15     Apr 24, 2025
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  6. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    And here is what they have to say about the ES Micro:-

    Micro E-mini futures see major growth, nearly six years since launch
    Micro E-mini Equity futures continue to establish themselves among the most actively traded and deeply liquid index products. As investors continue to navigate ongoing market uncertainty, index choice is as important as ever.

    • Record ADV of 3.3 million contracts, +35% vs. 2024
    • Micro E-mini Nasdaq-100 futures (MNQ) 2025 ADV reached a record 1.8M contracts, accounting for 55% of the Micro E-mini futures suite ADV
    • March ADV also achieved a record 4M contracts
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    Source: CME Group
     
    #16     Apr 24, 2025
  7. Actually, there was also 110 contract trade last night (this session) at ~10pm. Since you typed this, there were a few more, like 10 total for today and the day is less than half done.

    In a way it's an artefact of smaller sizes at the touch by market makers. So while someone can get filled, it's going to show up as a bunch of separate fills at the same price. Also, sizes at the touch have been declining proportionately to the notional of the futures. Not sure when Don Miller was trading, but 500 futures is 130 million in notional so a market maker taking that down in one clip is running meaningful risk.
     
    #17     Apr 24, 2025
  8. TommyD557

    TommyD557

    Sim works in all markets. Real time, your scalping and doubling/tripling down in this environment would get crushed if on the wrong side.
     
    #18     Apr 24, 2025
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  9. Good Morning Pantalaimon,

    The more you try to understand in the ES futures market, the poorer and less successful you will be.

    ES Futures Market is ONLY for hustlers who want to get RICH quickly, it is not for fancy smart people. You have to be born poor to do well in trading the ES futures market.

    Do not try to understand NOTHING in trading, just do your best and do it until your are VERY tired by 3pm.
     
    #19     Apr 24, 2025
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  10. Businessman

    Businessman

    Good Afternoon SimpleMeLike,

    Very tired? You are doing it wrong.

    Why would you get very tired pressing a few keys.

    All you have to do to GET VERY RICH VERY QUICKLY day trading the ES is to press the keys at the right time, make sure to buy near the lows and sell near the highs. Do not try and trade ES in any other way.

    Very easy and no stress. NOTHING is tiring when you are successful at day trading the ES, make sure to ONLY buy near the lows and sell near the highs..

    That is all you have to do.
     
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    #20     Apr 24, 2025