Ok, you are a strict vegetarian that eats no animal products. IOW, a dietary vegan. So much for mincing words. You've personally excluded all animal products from your diet despite admitting that prudent consumption is not harmful, and you have no evidence that it is. All the AA's are contained in most plants but some are very limited in amount, and to the extent of this deficiency the protein is useful rather than burned off as excess energy. Adding a little animal protein complements the plant and enhances the protein quality of the meal making it more physiologically useful. In this way plants are an "incomplete" protein source. As for your reference to infant G&D, the nutritional needs of the infant has no bearing on those same needs in an adult. (as you've so often reminded us about unnecessary adult dairy consumption) What is a "nutritional mentor"? have you had any formal training? I'm still waiting for your (scientific) evidence that unwashed vegetables provide the DRI (daily recommended amount) of B12 -2.4mcg daily. I'm still waiting for your evidence that meat/fish/dairy added to one's diet is harmful when saturated fat and calories are controlled for. The two longest lived populations -the Okinawans and Mediterranean - both include animal products daily. You have given no scientific evidence for their complete exclusion.
NoDoji, I learn something new every day (complete protein myth). I will still eat my rice and beans together, because that is how I like to eat! But it is good to know. I second "The Engine 2 Diet" - this book really took my cooking and eating to the next level. Unbelievably great recipes.
Funny, you haven't even had time to read it let alone evaluate the evidence yet but you're convinced. LOL
MG, you bring a smile to my face every time I read your posts BTW, I sent you a PM recently regarding 6E chat. Here's a pretty informative article about complex carbs as an optimal energy source. Looks like it's a wise idea to eat a bowl of barley before trading your wheat, corn and soybeans
Do you exclude them because you don't really believe your own rhetoric? I believe you actually think animal food is harmful in any amount, but won't admit it. Certainly can't support it with science (or won't )
A few of the reasons I exclude animal foods from my diet are a) they provide no nutrients I'm not getting from plant foods, b) they're contain more than 15% calories from fat, c) they concentrate toxins from their contaminated environment and the contaminated feed they live on, d) animal protein even in small amounts increases tumor promotion in vitro and in vivo, e) all my chronic health problems disappeared within the first month of the diet, f) I've had more sustained energy than ever eating this way, and g) the practices of big agribusiness and factory farming pollute the environment and waste resources. For anyone interested in the results of studies and meta-analyses of studies that are NOT funded/designed by for-profit industries, here is Michael Greger, M.D.'s entire book on-line discussing the problems with the high protein/high fat diets and the hype surrounding them: http://www.atkinsexposed.org In this book, I believe I found an explanation for some of the specious arguments presented on this thread, and the apparent inability for those putting forth those arguments to remember what was already posted and addressed here: Experts have voiced a longstanding concern that ketosis might fog up people's thinking, but it wasn't formally tested until 1995. As reported in the International Journal of Obesity article "Cognitive Effects of Ketogenic Weight-Reducing Diets," researchers randomized people to either a ketogenic or a nonketogenic weight loss diet. Although both groups lost the same amount of weight, those on the ketogenic diet suffered a significant drop in cognitive performance. After one week in ketosis, higher order mental processing and mental flexibility significantly worsened into what the researcher called a "modest neuropsychological impairment." I also found an explanation for my development of debilitating gout while still in my 30's after less than a year of high protein/high fat eating: There is also concern that uric acid levels on a meat-centered diet might be forced so high that it could start crystallizing in one's joints, triggering gout, an excruciating arthritic condition. And finally, of course, the cancer connection: Studies at Harvard and elsewhere involving tens of thousands of women and men have shown that regular meat consumption may increase colon cancer risk as much as 300 percent. As one Harvard School of Public health researcher noted, because of the meat content, two years on the Atkins Diet "could initiate a cancer. It could show up as a polyp in 7 years and as colon cancer in ten." Another Harvard study showed that women with the highest intake of animal fat seem to have over a 75% greater risk of developing breast cancer. Interestingly, the six of my friends who developed cancer in the years surrounding my own cancer development, also adhered to the high protein/high fat diet (either Atkins, Sears, or Eades) during the years of mass carbophobia surrounding the publication of these fad diet books, and my own primary care physician who followed and promoted the Atkins diet during those same years, developed multiple skin cancers a few years later.
pretty obvious who's got their head up their crack,but keep posting ,everytime you do,doj gives us more info,one of the most informative threads ever on ET,so despite yourself,you are making it all possible