Why Evangelicals Are Fooled Into Accepting Pseudoscience

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, Sep 23, 2011.

  1. jem

    jem

    before I address your lie..

    I ask you... what proof evidence do you have which shows the universe got here by random chance.

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    now for your lie...

    I have have given you quotes from noble prize winning scientists who state the universe appears designed. You may not like them... but they are true quotes and in context.

    We even have quotes from Hawkings most recent book... which explains that this universe appears designed.

    Now he goes on to say that the multiverse speculation contraindicates a conclusion of designer... but the multiverse is speculation.

    So once again... you can lead an ET atheist to science but you can not make him think.
     
    #11     Sep 23, 2011
  2. i fixed this to make it accurate:

    I have have given you quotes from noble prize winning scientists who state the universe appears designed BUT THEN WENT ON TO EXPLAIN THAT IT IS NOT.
     
    #12     Sep 23, 2011
  3. 377OHMS

    377OHMS

    Do you think living cells simply organized themselves from mud spontaneously?
     
    #13     Sep 23, 2011
  4. jem

    jem

    nothinker...
    here are quotes... I can give you a deluge....
    but, this one from your favorite atheist Dawkins.

    The following quotes are from Dawkin's book, The God Delusion:
    “One of the greatest challenges to the human intellect, over the centuries, has been to explain how the complex, improbable appearance of design in the universe arises.”

    “The natural temptation is to attribute the appearance of design to actual design itself. In the case of a man-made artifact such as a watch, the designer really was an intelligent engineer. It is tempting to apply the same logic to an eye or a wing, a spider or a person.”
    Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, Boston, Massachusetts: Mariner Books 2008, p. 157-158.

    Note... if you follow Dawkins... his explanation for that appearance of design... is a speculative as any religion... he is speculating on a multiverse. Unproven, unobserved hypthetical...... almost infinite number of universes.

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    Phillip E. Johnson cites the renowned geneticist Francis Crick in order to illustrate the fact that the biological world has the strong appearance of being designed:
    “One of the world's most famous scientists, probably the most famous living biologist, is Sir Francis Crick, the British co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, a Nobel Prize winner... Crick is also a fervent atheistic materialist, who propounds the particle story. In his autobiography, Crick says very candidly biologists must remind themselves daily that what they study was not created, it evolved; it was not designed, it evolved. Why do they have to remind themselves of that? Because otherwise, the facts which are staring them in the face and trying to get their attention might break through. What we discovered when I developed a working group of scientists, philosophers, et al., in the United States was that living organisms look as if they were designed and they look that way because that is exactly what they are.”
    Phillip E. Johnson, Essay: Evolution And Christian Faith.

    Francis Crick, What Mad Pursuit: A Personal View of Scientific Discovery, New York, New York: Basic Books 1990, p. 138.

    Moreover, Crick has written several times that problems with an undirected origin of life on earth are so great that we should consider the idea that space aliens sent a rocket ship to the earth to seed it with spores to begin life. Crick also stongly recommends Dawkin's book The Blind Watchmaker, which says plainly that living things have the appearance of design.

    Crick also wrote:
    “An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to be satisfied to get it going.”
    Francis Crick, Life Itself, Its Origin and Nature, New York, NY: Simon & Schust
     
    #14     Sep 23, 2011
  5. jem

    jem

    first of all you just made stuff up. they have not gone on to explain the appearance does not exist. The appearance is still here.

    What they do is state you may not wish to conclude design if there are trillions of other universes.

    Of course they are speculating there other other universes... There is no proof or even observation of other universes.

    And here.... I see no hedge from a noble prize winner.


    The eminent astrophysicist Arno Penzias was co-awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for discovery of a faint microwave background radiation throughout the universe, which lent strong support to the big-bang model of cosmic evolution. However, he admitted:
    “Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say ‘supernatural’) plan.”
    Arno Penzias, Cosmos, Bios, and Theos, Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, ed., La Salle, Illinois: Open Court Publishing, 1992, p. 83.

    http://www.miraclesormagic.com/intelligent-design-vs-evolution.html

    So nothinker why don't you tell us again...

    you state there is no creator and you base your statement on what evidence?

    You and stu know more about the appearance of design than a nobel prize winning astrophysicist Arno Penzias.

    Grow up and start thinking.

    Our universe appears designed.
    You might not wish to conclude designer... but it does appear designed to just about every one who understands the science.
     
    #15     Sep 23, 2011
  6. stu

    stu

    The Earth appears flat.

    "Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved."
    — Francis Crick What Mad Pursuit (1990)

    On the same evidence there is no Mother Goose.


    All your second and third hand quote mining, copying someone who describes their main qualification as having '10 years of experience leading in-depth church and home Bible studies' is never going to be about understanding science.
     
    #16     Sep 23, 2011
  7. stu

    stu

    ...justifying the thread title:

    Why Evangelicals Are Fooled Into Accepting Pseudoscience
     
    #17     Sep 23, 2011
  8. 377OHMS

    377OHMS

    Care to elaborate or are you just pissing from great height?
     
    #18     Sep 23, 2011
  9. Can you find us anything on why obsessive atheist zealot biggots ironically display religious zeal for indicting the right of others to their own beliefs? That would be an interesting topic to read about...

     
    #19     Sep 23, 2011
  10. jem

    jem

    That is the thing about et atheist fools. They get hit over the head with science and they attempt say the science is wrong because they did not like the name of the website or the author who quoted the scientist.
     
    #20     Sep 23, 2011