why don''t people just sell options instead of trading minis?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by tradelosses, Sep 25, 2016.

  1. Dear juliet

    I know all about the failures /hypocrites selling education
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    Last edited: Sep 27, 2016
    #41     Sep 27, 2016
  2. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    limited reward--unlimited risk. also--most people not patient enough to watch paint dry.
     
    #42     Sep 27, 2016
  3. FLfutures

    FLfutures

    May repeat some of prior answers, but:

    1. Selling puts/calls, places a limit on profit;
    2. Liquidity, and esp bid/ask spreads, are relatively high in options, and over time, take a toll;
    3. Often when mkts make huge moves, the option markets virtually shut down, or the bid/ask spreads balloon, such that one would never trade. Futures, avoid this;
    4. I don't think this key element mentioned yet: taxes
    Stock options (all short term, on the short side,) are taxed at ordinary income rates, at say 35%. Futures have a blended rate, equal to 23%. So the tax rate is 50% higher in stocks/options, which means one needs to make 18% more trading stocks/stock options vs futures. That is an unnecessary hurdle, IMO.
     
    #43     Sep 27, 2016
  4. Options is a zero sum game .Options formula is used in most strategies. Using only the option formula , this is thinking only inside the box. Think outside the box and get a bigger edge.

    1.Option spreads constructed intelligently create risk reward of 1 to 2.Options help in minimising/controlling risk
    2.Trade most liquid options s and p etc
    3.Most liquid markets are always liquid indices fx .The profits on liquid markets outweigh all costs , still low risk high rewards plus benefit of premium decay , premium decay is another edge.
    4>Most books are written by failures who never profited from options trading , these is the knowledge limitation of the trader .The dumb educating the dumber.
     
    #44     Sep 28, 2016
  5. marwanco

    marwanco

    What about bying 800 shares of QQQ selling short 1 NQ contract (as protection), will this be a neutral position?
    If yes selling 8 call option OTM on QQQ will have very small risk?
     
    #45     Sep 28, 2016
  6. plot those calculations on an excel and see risk reward

    similiar to this


    Best covered option strategies for premium decay
     
    #46     Sep 28, 2016
  7. Surprise

    Surprise

    SPX options are 1256 contracts so they are treated like futures for tax purposes.
     
    #47     Sep 28, 2016
  8. Surprise

    Surprise

    Trading options is tricky but i agree traders have much better chance in generating decent profits from options more than just trading the underlying , although it wont be from just selling options , i would prefer buying options .
     
    #48     Sep 28, 2016
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  9. just21

    just21

    Do both, trade for free, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_reversal
     
    #49     Sep 28, 2016
  10. you can use options selling to reduce your premium layout and premium cost , do some calculations
     
    #50     Sep 28, 2016