Why does TA not work (for you)?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by Xspurt, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. #1311     Aug 15, 2012

  2. Quoting out of context? I agree it's dusty old stuff-- just trying to show that the cases against TA are very old and well documented.
     
    #1312     Aug 15, 2012

  3. Here's why:

    Here is a piece of wisdom from Dr. Phill McDonnell----


    http://www.dailyspeculations.com/wordpress/?p=3158


    Moving averages--- are you serious?


    Evgeny Slutsky and Moving Averages, from Phil McDonnell
    September 27, 2008 | 1 Comment
    All moving averages have to be based on a backward looking window of time. So a 10 day average is the average of the last 10 days and so on. But the center in time for that average is really about five days ago. To be more precise it is (n+1) / 2 days ago or 5.5 days ago.

    So comparing two moving averages of different lengths is really comparing apples and oranges. If we compare a 10 day to a 30 day average, for example, then we are comparing the average of 5.5 days ago to 15.5 days. In other words they are not the same point in time. Mr. Glazier's enlightening 3D representation of moving averages of various lengths shows that the longer windows respond more slowly to ripples in price than do the shorter moving averages because of this lag effect.

    Another feature visible in the chart is the apparently cyclical undulations. The problem with that is that it may simply be a manifestation of the Slutzky - Yule effect. Essentially Slutksy-Yule says that any series, when averaged, will show sinusoidal oscillations as a result of the averaging process. This is true even if the original series was composed of random numbers which could not possibly be sinusoidal in nature.

    Another common pitfall when using moving averages is to think that all one has to do is to find the magic combination such as a 19, 27 and 79 day triple crossover with a minimum threshold of 1%. The problem with any such system is that there are an infinite number of these combinations. We quickly fall into the data mining trap where we will appear to find something even if it is merely a product of chance.

    Dr. McDonnell is the author of Optimal Portfolio Modeling, Wiley, 2008
     
    #1313     Aug 15, 2012
  4. Writers write, traders trade. It's really very simple.
     
    #1314     Aug 15, 2012
  5. How did I "quot[e] out of context"? The authors are simply stating that they are only going to analyze some types of TA, but they are going to ignore others because those others actually appear to work and they use past data as inputs.

    If you are denying that you've said past data is useless and that's what I'm quoting out of context, there are at least half a dozen posts in this thread alone where you did state that.
     
    #1315     Aug 15, 2012
  6. Not quite, CCC actually forms wedges accompanied by dry up.
     
    #1316     Aug 15, 2012
  7. Fah Q

    Fah Q

    i also recall reading surf say that past price is useless.
     
    #1317     Aug 15, 2012
  8. So he posted a link that contradicts one of his foundational theories?? Priceless :D

     
    #1318     Aug 15, 2012

  9. Completely useless when it comes to predicting future price.
     
    #1319     Aug 15, 2012
  10. The faithful are grasping at straws and making up sh$t: From my link

    ......technical analysis cannot earn abnormal returns. Technical strategies are inferior to a buy and hold strategy since they typically churn investor accounts. Nonetheless, technical analysis appears to thrive. The purpose of this paper is to explain why technical analysis survives
    even though it is inferior to a buy-and-hold strategy.
     
    #1320     Aug 15, 2012