Why does it take so long?

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by profitlocker, Apr 9, 2016.

  1. To become a successful surgeon it will take at least 7-10 years after you started your studies at the university.
    To become a successful trader is much more difficult. There are more successful surgeons then successful traders.
    So education should be probably already longer and more difficult.
    On top of that a surgeon will be learned what to do and how to work, as for a trader he will have to find out everything on his own.
    So it is very clear why it will take so long. At least it is for me.

    But the tricky thing is that for newbies it all looks so easy. Till they start on their own and see the years fly by, and often without any positive result.
     
    #41     Apr 17, 2016
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  2. There can be several issues that individually would cause traders spending much time for each issue. imo

    1. Trade secrets - Can't be learned from anyone or any sources. Take years to find them out gradually.

    2. Pointers - Can be learned from books, forums, articles, exchange/discussion of ideas. However, take years to learn from them.

    3. Feedback - Testing for proof/disproof of an idea/concept needs months for each concept/cycle before moving forward to another potential idea/concept. Take years for so many different ideas/concepts.

    4. Cycle - Each learning and unlearning cycle for a new trading model/system built with many concepts requires not only time but also energy. A break in between two cycles would be useful/effective. Otherwise, doing the same mistake for unlimited times - A guaranteed failure - sooner or later! Take many years of total time while thinking/insisting not quitting! Unlimited attempts - Willpower.

    5. Health - Poor heath or even burn-out due to 24/7/365 research work like a Navy Seal if still survived can cause/force time break to a trader for a slow-down or rest. Take many months/years, if luckily fully recovered.

    6. Mindset - A proper mindset for risk management rather than making money can also take time or years. Since nearly all traders started with a normal mindset of making money in trading, naturally! Not losing money or losing only small money is already extremely hard for many traders - if not wipe-out, once or many times! Take years for a ready psychology/mindset - not every soldier can become finally a self-trained, knowledgeable and experienced Seal and still surviving confidently reliably!

    7. Edge - ...

    8. ??? ...

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    #42     Apr 17, 2016
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  3. any derivative you trade is basically figuring out or emulating its tendencies, and each one has it own tendencies, some rules can be applied to any trading instrument, but others are derivative specific. What makes it harder at times, is when market structure changes, and those tendencies that worked in the past change into new tendencies. From 1980-2010, its been mostly human tendencies and psychology at work, so it was easy to see the panic or greed in different instruments. Now the market structure has changed, where central banks can control markets using interlinked algorithms in different markets. So technology has changed the market structure. That's why volatility has died down, human players are being taken out of the mix. Its best to trade instruments where technology hasn't caught up yet to them. Maybe trade new emerging markets where exchanges are just being setup. Vietnam might be one of them, and inefficiencies run rampant. The biggest inefficiency at the moment in our markets is the "central bank inefficiency". Just buy different standard deviations off the index, since CB's are actively propping up the market, and sell at new range expansion highs.
     
    #43     Apr 17, 2016
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  4. Hedge Fund Market Wizards - How Winning Traders Win, by Jack Schwager: " To do my vacuum cleaner, I built 5,127 prototypes. This means I had 5,126 failures. But as I went through these failures, I made discoveries. - James Dyson"
     
    #44     Apr 18, 2016
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  5. good post crusher. I agree with all you have said. When I see people on forums throwing around lines like 'x is the only way to trade' i smile quietly to myself. A winning traders mind is open and understands there is no one right or wrong way, he takes all information in and assimilates it.
     
    #45     Apr 18, 2016
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  6. #46     Apr 18, 2016
  7. Or may be we need to change our tendency towards trading :)
     
    #47     Apr 18, 2016
  8. I believe that we can DOCUMENT our strategy if we are REALLY clear about how we are trading :)
     
    #48     Apr 18, 2016
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  9. Totally agree! My strategies look like BLUE PRINTS...but when market conditions change, it becomes more like a detective dissecting all "documentation" of a murder case...what is most probable...I think this is the tricky part that takes more intuition and experience.
     
    #49     Apr 18, 2016
  10. yeah and the conditioning to only trade when your blueprints says is hard to achieve. For me I only trade if certain things have happened within time windows in my 'blueprint'. Just now I have seen many things happen that line up in my blueprint but the time is wrong hence it is no trade. Overtrading kills accounts.
     
    #50     Apr 18, 2016
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