Why do stocks get clobbered so bad with earnings??

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by Cabin111, Jul 30, 2022.

  1. tomkat22

    tomkat22

    There was probably a whisper number they failed to meet. I've seen companies release what on the surface appears to be a good earnings report but the stock still gets hammered. Also a lot of BS game playing by market makers and day traders right after the earnings report is released.
     
    #11     Jul 30, 2022
  2. maxinger

    maxinger

    Why do stocks get clobbered so bad with earnings??

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    Why sometimes stocks

    get clobbered so badly,
    moved up very massively,
    or never move at all

    with earnings??


     
    #12     Jul 30, 2022
  3. That is because, the market EXPECTED, and hence PRICED-IN even better earnings. And since the corp failed to meet the expectation, this was actually negative news, and hence the price naturally drops to correct this.
     
    #13     Jul 30, 2022
  4. Secatu

    Secatu

    From my experience, it seems in bear or choppy markets earnings moves lean more towards guidance, but in bull markets they lean towards current expectations/estimates. You may have also noticed there have been several
    earnings "misses" where the stock shot up because they had one piece of guidance that was positive.
     
    #14     Jul 31, 2022
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    “In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine.”


    This over reaction caused my technical traders who just react to the chart creates opportunities for long term holders (especially for those bozos like Warren Buffett).
     
    #15     Jul 31, 2022
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  6. Bad_Badness

    Bad_Badness

    That model is overly simplified, FOR TRADING.

    Instead of getting "pissed off" on something that is not understood, consider getting up to speed FOR TRADING.

    There is plenty of information out there, that might get you to think you got the right model on earnings, but it is mostly aimed at buy and hold, passive, mutual fund holder.

    Perhaps you are taking that information and applying it incorrectly. Sort of like mixing up premises and chart time frames.
     
    #16     Jul 31, 2022
  7. Cabin111

    Cabin111

    In a way I was just kidding...I do buy on bad earnings. I have done it for 40 years.

    I look for quality stocks that have a bad quarter, but seem to be solidly based. This has worked great in some situations (McDonald's, Walmart, Apple, Avis/Budget), and badly (GE and GM...2008).
     
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    #17     Jul 31, 2022
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  8. GE had overly-inflated numbers. Basically, Jack Welch, the most over-paid CEO (ok, so maybe that of Enron was worse)... but Welch did receive the largest severance pay ever when he left. What did he leave? A zombie company that was left as a huge mess for the next CEO in line to clean up. Unfortunately, Welch focused on massaging the numbers for many years, and that only goes so far, especially when the stockholders and bondholders begin to wise up.

    Meanwhile, you can read books on how great of a CEO he was and what amazing numbers GE pulled out of its hat when he was at the helm of the ship.


    As for GM... there was some really fantastic stupidity there. Paying out dividends that were not-sustainable... and then taking on even MORE unsustainable debt, just to keep paying more dividends? WTF?! I bet Chanos fell out of his chair when his team were reading those financial reports at the end. This is basically the same shit Italian politicians have been doing, and they'll be expecting the rest of Europe to bail them out for it just like with Greece years ago.
     
    #18     Jul 31, 2022
  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    Isn't that the definition of a Ponzi? Take in new money to pay previous investors? I hope the newer lenders were banks, getting a taste of their own medicine.
     
    #19     Jul 31, 2022
  10. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    The first and last time I held overnight into earnings was ORCL (2000?) bought $30 it gapped down to 16, something like that. Ouch
     
    #20     Jul 31, 2022