Why do Republican Voter Love being Lied to?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by arealpissedgoy, Oct 11, 2008.

  1. Mav88

    Mav88

    Gringinho

    The problem with your viewpoint is that your fail to understand that most politics is local and pragmatic.

    It would be just as silly for me to discuss the plots and plans of American communists when discussing the antics of Pelosi and Obama.

    All this neo-conservative stuff is just for people who love conspiracies. Bush invaded Iraq probably for reasons other than the advice he was getting. That's the only policy of significance, 99% of us have noticed little change in our liberties here and plan of world domination will have any chance of implementation. I would be willing to bet your life is pretty much the same as the pre-Iraq days as well.

    On to things that matter, like the massive social welfare goals of people like Obama. Of far more impact to ordinary people than any of your dreamt of neo-con conspiracies.
     
    #11     Oct 12, 2008
  2. Mav88,

    it is not "conspiracies" - it is the ideology of Neo-conservatism I am talking about. We can witness the practical policies which are the effect from strong influence from neo-conservatives - sometimes direct and dominating effects during the last presidency.

    That is not any conspiracy - but cause and effect... cause being ideology, and effect the various legislations and practical decisions, measures.

    I am not saying they are having hidden meetings and plotting, they are in fact quite public and write public articles, participate in interviews and discussions. Of course, this is part of any democracy and they should not be censored as such. The problem is when they are being misrepresented as "the conservatives" - and when they are given almost exclusive control of many practical decisions - such as those being rushed during the Bush presidency - to give them control without oversight or accountability.

    That has totally corrupted the US practical politics and decisions - interactions with the rest of the world, as well as social structuring of domestic society.

    The accumulated result has been a much stronger approximation towards a totalitarian and authoritarian police state - and the main influencer for this has been the quick restructuring during the shocking events on people.

    Those are FACTS - not any "conspiracy theories."
    Now, the systemic look at this situation looks at those processes, components and influencers ... which are terrorists, Bush administration, world economy, Neo-conservative ideology etc. Then the assessment is how it all connects to varying degrees - and the main reason for the new legislation, diminished civil liberties - is the Neo-conservative ideology --- which directly supports strong restrictive legislation and pre-emptive actions. That is their core belief - and that they alone are the ones "who can show responsibility and take the lead."

    Now, when CNN continuously presents these ideological commentators and thinkers as simply "conservatives" - they are grossly misrepresenting them, because they are in fact extremes on the far right-wing of the political spectrum, and they are rooted in a belief system for their policies and projecting this on all facets of society - making them political radicalists. Those are simple facts.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_radicalism


    Sure, politics are implemented by local politicians and federal politicians in Congress and the Senate - but most of the cohesive argumentative thinking, deduction with general policy conclusions and shaping of the entire ideology is coming from the leading ideologists of the various belief systems. Policy doctrines are comprised of ideology, practical decisions and general guidelines.

    These are all facts and have nothing with blaming single individuals - but is a look at the compounded effect of the whole system.
    Sure, James Burnham and Irving Kristol have laid the foundations for the ideology, and then others have fleshed it more out, adapted it to current situations - and yet others have taken the reasoning into practical political decisions - or continuous influencing on society.

    The compounded effect is undeniable and clear.
     
    #12     Oct 12, 2008
  3. Mav88

    Mav88

    The accumulated result has been a much stronger approximation towards a totalitarian and authoritarian police state - and the main influencer for this has been the quick restructuring during the shocking events on people.

    Let's just take this one for now, like many left leaning folks you throw out sophistries faster than anyone can react. My civil liberties haven't been affected significantly in the last 20 years, yet you make sweeping generalizations like this. List out the specifics here for people living here in the US, tell me exactly how my life has been changed due to this restructuring towards a police state.
     
    #13     Oct 12, 2008
  4. Yes, I am working on a post where I will explain what political radicalism is, and how polarization works as well as how this whole left-right spectrum works. It is clearly not understood here, I see.

    I will do so in another thread - because it goes deep into political science and philosophy. Just now I'm a little busy so it will have to wait some hours, but around Asian markets - New Zealand RTH I will make that thread and post. :)


    It boils down to the fundamental differences and political evolution - polarization - radicalism and populism, the differences and the core of radical political ideologies... I will also include Islamism and extremism.
     
    #14     Oct 12, 2008
  5. Mav88

    Mav88

    You are overthinking the problem, academics love to do that probably because they have nothing else to do. It is akin to extreme curve fitting in developing a trading system, so over idealized and optimized that it is useless.
     
    #15     Oct 12, 2008
  6. Mav88,

    don't worry - I know what curve fitting is, and I developed professional prediction models for some time using MLP neural networks for spot markets.

    I'm a bit pressed for time this Sunday, so I'll be back.
    :D
     
    #16     Oct 12, 2008
  7. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Goldberg is the ultimate mama's boy. Nobody would have ever heard of that putz if his sow of a mother hadn't stuck her nose into the Clinton-Lewinsky affair. She was literally his ticket to fame.
     
    #17     Oct 13, 2008
  8. Mav88

    Mav88

    Gringinho,

    You still don't get it, I don't want a treatise deep into poly sci and philo, I already told you that all that is crap. Nothing personal but it's just like economics theory, mostly human created delusion.

    I want the data and not some lame ass conspiracy theory. You said that my civil rights were changed significantly as we are steered towards a police state. Just list out exactly the practical consequences on my life in terms of my rights.
     
    #18     Oct 13, 2008