Why do people use Volume, Range and Tic charts?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by fearless9, Nov 13, 2006.

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  1. Corey

    Corey

    I find this particularly fascinating given that I am currently working with markets relative to random number distributions.

    If you don't mind clarifying (I don't expect a free lunch here, I just don't quite understand one part) -- relative to what are you taking the 'frequency' for the S&P 500 chart? Overall price levels? Price levels on there own, being continuous, don't seem to lend themselves to frequency distribution tables without some form of normalization. Currently, I have been examining distance from the 200DMA -- but I don't think this is what you mean.

    Am I misunderstanding?

    Thanks for the insight.
     
    #1141     Mar 3, 2008
  2. Um, no. It stretches the credibiility level just a bit too far. You know, some people can come here and talk about trading, others need to come here to be somebody. When you think about it, that's pretty sad. :(

    It's funny how the only one using your trading technique around here ... is yourself. That speaks volumes to how "easy" and "obvious" it is to use ... NOT.

    You scold me.

    LOL, I'm not your son.

    Yeah, OK, whatever you say.
     
    #1142     Mar 3, 2008

  3. yes, it would serve no purpose who was "luckiest" during the contest. i would prefer to understand and learn what you see as edge when it makes no sense to me outside of a linquistic flow chart.

    surf
     
    #1143     Mar 3, 2008


  4. how is market surfer delusional? market surfer makes no claims as to market savvy, market surfer has calls going back to 1999 posted on line, some uncannily accurate, some amazingly bad.

    market surfer has traded ( as a hobby and as a short time professionally) since 1990. he has talked with many of the top people in the field and has many contacts in the business.

    market surfer's associates have directly reviewed literally hundreds of traders who claim to have edges based on TA, NOT ONE survived

    market surfer wonders why prop firm traders and other professionals don't go down this path when it's freely available, but rather it's pitched to the market naive'?

    market surfer seeks EDGE not promises and kreskin claims.

    how is market surfer delusional?

    thank you,

    market surfer
     
    #1144     Mar 3, 2008
  5. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    Ok, here is what you do. First, create the time series that is the daily close divided by the 30 day ATR. Then use 30 day long linear regression curve on it and measure the deviations from it. Plot the distribution of frequencies. You should see purely Gaussian distribution.
     
    #1145     Mar 3, 2008
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  6. You mis-read and mis-quoted the quote, Dave.

    Remember when ProfLogic supposedly found every correct turn in the market ... for a substantial number of markets?

    This supposed work of trading magnificence took place several years ago.
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    I'm saying ProfLogic was delusional then, and he's completely delusional now if he thinks I'm going to believe for one minute his student stole the idea of range bars from Vicente M. Nicolellis Jr. and presented them as his own, and that's why he said he created them.
    ***
    See?

    So lets move on from this one, he's been completely discredited and folks around here want to talk about trading.

    JJ
     
    #1146     Mar 3, 2008


  7. yes, fine observation. however, the question is, how is this knowledge exploited for profit?

    regards,

    surf
     
    #1147     Mar 3, 2008
  8. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    Well, if you know that your price deviations are purely Gaussian can you not think of betting using 1 STD rules? :cool: :D Just think; it will come to you... I promise :cool:
     
    #1148     Mar 3, 2008
  9. Corey

    Corey

    MAESTRO --
    A very interesting concept, measuring price versus volatility. Have you tried any other measures of volatility? 30 day linear regression of the ATR seems rather ... arbitrary. Was this optimized, or just eyeballed?

    Later I plan on working through the math of the transformations you make to ensure that the near-gaussian distribution is a function of the underlying data and not a mathematical statement about the transformations made ... though at first sight I don't see any blatant evidence of the transformations defining the distribution rather than the underlying data.

    That being said, it is certainly an interesting concept and one I plan on delving into further!

    Thanks for sharing!
    -C
     
    #1149     Mar 3, 2008
  10. Absolutely and I know where you are going with this . . . as usual.

    You must first understand that pattern repetition is worthless unless the environment is consistent. Normal pattern repetition applied to time or tick charts is a coin toss but when the environment is stable the patterns created by price oscillations are deadly constant and perfectly fractal.

    Posted is my YM chart from this morning and we are currently setting up a potential Long opportunity again. (Notice Jimmy that I didn't catch the top or bottom of either move, entry or exit). This pattern set-up not only gives me the ability to SEE when potentail trades are setting up but gives me a BAR-BY-BAR view of where my EXACT entry and exit exists.

    Thus answering your implied & restated question. Yes, it can be tested but more over . . . programmed. I've told you repeatedly as well that I would give you the information to test this and prove it to yourself but I will only give you this information in person. I require you sign a non-disclosure which is pretty much self-explanatory. I've also told you that after you "beat it up" you could come back and tell the world that I'm a fraud and an idiot if I was wrong. I know you wouldn't. I absolutely KNOW what you would do with the information. This is why I KNOW you will never show up at my office with a pen in your hand.

    Oh and that long I was talking about just executed at 12233. Played out while writing this.
     
    #1150     Mar 3, 2008
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