Why Do People Buy At A Top?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by tradingjournals, Oct 21, 2013.

  1. I made 2fold gains on 177 puts. thanks FOMC.

    interesting? no. it is fun to see people lose money in this BUY TOP and sell bottom game.

    make money is easy in trading
    too easy, just less than half hours, my account is doubled again!

    since lots of people are just world class level naive SUCKERS!

    what I cay say, they are suckers, how can they make money?



     
    #111     Oct 30, 2013
  2. pfranz

    pfranz

    Still not convinced.
    Are firms which failed taken into account?Are firms with no dividend taken into account? Is the tradingjournals' survivor bias taken into account?
    How is average computed? Note that dividend yield is expressed as a percentage of the stock price at that time, not of the price as if it were perfectly parabolic (as it would be if annual return were always the same).

    So I doubt we can simply take the yield percentage and sum it to the average growth ratio.
     
    #112     Oct 30, 2013
  3. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Hmm, looks like those suckers who bought the last new S&P top on the 17th had pure no-heat upside into today's FOMC.

    :D :D
     
    #113     Oct 30, 2013
  4. Ciao

    Ciao

    :D :D :D :D :D

    fanny how suckers recognise each other :) :)

    take a look at OXBT what a lovely sucker :D :D

    never mind better luck next time
     
    #114     Oct 30, 2013
  5. My models are viewing Nasdaq100 at 3400 today as a top. Thursdays can be bad days for bulls, and Tomorrow is a Thursday. I am very surprised that VXX did not move as I think it would/should today. Is it that the demand for premium is not firm or that there is enough supply?
     
    #115     Oct 31, 2013
  6. pfranz

    pfranz

    To get a better idea, I took the values of SP500 Total Return at http://ycharts.com/indices/^SPXTR:

    Current SPTR:3150
    SPTR on Jun 1988:271 - return on last 25 years=10,3%
    SPTR on Jan 1999:1670 - return on last 14 years=4,6%

    For the standard index:
    Current SP:1763
    SP on Jun 1988:271 - return on last 25 years=7,8%
    SP on Jan 1999:1128 - return on last 14 years=2,6%

    So average dividend yield was 2% on last 14 years and 2.5% on last 25 years.
    Still not sure about taxation for normal people and survivor bias influence.
    Note also that SP500 has good dividend yield (NASDAQ has a lower one,for example).
    After these considerations, I think that my assumption of an average of 1.5% for stocks in general can be quite good.
     
    #116     Oct 31, 2013
  7. :)

    If it does as I think it would, you should be able to get your order filled at 82.48 or even below as early as tomorrow. But I would be surprised if you bought.
     
    #117     Oct 31, 2013
  8. Assume one uses all stocks (including the dead stocks). Since the price is limited to the downside by zero, there should be more stocks below the arithmetic average. By the nature of an index such as the dow, the stocks in it are above the median. The geometric average for all stocks could be lower than the geometric average of a major index.
     
    #118     Oct 31, 2013
  9. My model isn't indicating a top, but a bottom.
     
    #119     Oct 31, 2013
  10. Ash1972

    Ash1972

    It's indicating <i>your</i> bottom
     
    #120     Oct 31, 2013