Why creation science is an oxymoron

Discussion in 'Politics' started by kut2k2, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. i figured as much. that is the safe thing for you to do. a questioning mind is the enemy of faith.
     
    #81     Feb 8, 2010
  2. jem

    jem

    my mind does question -- perhaps you would like to make the point of your video.

    What that there is a chance that god does not exist.

    I have granted that before and still do every day.
    so what? My faith could be misplaced - so what?

    So could your non faith or the guy who made the video's non faith.

    As Kant said man can not know the answer to metaphysical questions.

    Next....
     
    #82     Feb 8, 2010
  3. so it sounds like you are you playing a pascals wager game?
     
    #83     Feb 8, 2010
  4. jem

    jem

    not at all. I act in faith on things I believe.

    However, I think pascal wager augers in favor of at least being open to a Creator.

    In the end if there is a God, it would be up to him to determine what merits salvation. If I were God perhaps I would give a break to someone who only accepts as fact things they could determine via cause and effect. That is a very seductive way to live life. But that would be a pretty tough standard to truly live up to and support.


    I would not be surprised if we have to stand and judge ourselves.

    I believe I would judge myself a failure by standards I might deem fair but particularly by what I suspect would be God's standards. But, my response (or my justification) would be that it is my faith that I get to look to Jesus and say it was God's love that allows me to look to the sacrifice he made on the cross and my acting in faith on his promises that would allow me to "merit" salvation or eternal life.

    It is my great hope I get to substitute Jesus's acts for mine on judgment day. I do act in faith on at least some of the promises Jesus made.

    (and it is not always easy to believe which is the paradox for people who do not really take the time to read and understand the new testament. Some of the promises are attached to difficult actions to carry out - for instance living your life as suggested by jesus during the sermon on the mount... some of the easier actions to do are very difficult to believe for instance really believing in his presense during communion and receiving communion worthily - I am emphasize that contrary to what many catholics are taught -- it is not about being worthy but receiving worthily.)

    If you really study what it means to act in faith you will see why I do not really blame people for ripping Christians. As a whole the teachings most Christians and non Christians are exposed to are twisted out of context. Frequently by teachers. I suspect judgment day is going to be very enlightening for many who think being a Christian is as saying I believe. )

    But, without Jesus I do not know for sure God would not or does not give a person a chance to accept him when he meets them.

    I know a lot of Christians believe you have to accept him before you die.... but I have not been fully convinced of that argument. I will leave that to God and the person. I think there are arguments that you have to be prepared or more while you alive... but I do not presume to speak for God.
     
    #84     Feb 10, 2010
  5. stu

    stu

    Well Jem, I don't think there was ever any doubt that you are superstitious.
    But perhaps you should judge yourself in the here and now rather than in some imaginary future world.

    It's interesting in that description about your imaginary friends , with "God's love" and "God's standards" and what" Jesus" might do for you, you didn't include any terms like this....

    .....nor any of the dozens of other obscenities and outright dishonesty your faith clearly leads you into making when you are not trying to wax lyrical about it.

    Going to such extraordinary lengths the way you do in trying to defend and justify an irrational and absurd belief. Half the world suffers from that problem already.
     
    #85     Feb 10, 2010
  6. pascals wager cant answer the question. which god? there are thousands through out history. you still have to fall back on your inherited indoctrination for that answer.

    If “faith” is a prerequisite in a belief in order to see the truth of the belief, being if there were evidence there would be no need for “faith” in any particular belief.
    All supernatural beliefs require “faith” in its truth, being there is no evidence proving any particular belief.
    So it must be the “faith” itself that dictates what is true.
    Therefore every one of the worlds religions are true, being they all rely on the “faith” of the believer to see its truth. -Unknown
     
    #86     Feb 10, 2010
  7. jem

    jem


    1. When you produce and item of dishonesty I will apologize. Until then I will call a person who creates such bullshit a turd.
     
    #87     Feb 10, 2010
  8. stu

    stu

    How very Christian.
     
    #88     Feb 10, 2010
  9. jem

    jem

    how atheist of you.
     
    #89     Feb 10, 2010
  10. Atheists don't have a code of conduct manual unlike Christians :cool:
     
    #90     Feb 10, 2010