Why Can’t We Talk About the Murder Wave?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ipatent, Dec 26, 2021.

  1. ipatent

    ipatent

    Not relevant.
     
    #21     Dec 26, 2021
  2. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    2nd amendment according to the US right:

    "Nigger nigger Chicago, nigger nigger nigger the nigger of the nigger nigger, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Sorry, I meant N-word.
     
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    #22     Dec 26, 2021
  3. Arnie

    Arnie

    Stop & frisk is constitutional.
    See: Terry vs Ohio

    Eric Adams has promised to bring it back.
     
    #23     Dec 26, 2021
  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark





    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...politics/fact-check-stop-and-frisk/index.html



    In 2013, US District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin found that New York's stop-and-frisk strategy focused too heavily on black and Hispanic people and was carried out too often without reasonable suspicion.

    As a result, she ruled that New York's stop-and-frisk policy was unconstitutional "as applied." Scheindlin specifically said she was not ordering New York to end stop-and-frisk, but instead, she ordered the city's police to reform their training and policing procedures to, among other things, make sure that officers do not engage in racial profiling when determine who to stop. She also appointed a monitor to oversee how the department was carrying out her orders.

    Scheindlin's ruling was highly controversial. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals halted enforcement of the reforms she had ordered and returned the case to a lower court for further review. The appeals court also took unusual step of removing her from the case.

    But the appellate court did not overturn her ruling that the way the city was carrying out stop-and-frisk was unconstitutional, since it violated Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure.

    It is also true that the way stop-and-frisk was carried out in New York -- tactics that Giuliani touted as helping to "change New York City from the crime capital of America to the safest large city in the country" -- is still considered illegal.

     
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    #24     Dec 26, 2021
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    It will get shut down in court again if 90% of the people who are stopped are minorities. Whites will throw a fit if NYPD starts stopping and searching more white people without cause.
     
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    #25     Dec 26, 2021
  6. UsualName

    UsualName

    Why?
     
    #26     Dec 27, 2021
  7. ipatent

    ipatent

    For among other reasons, guns have a legal purpose and heroin doesn't.
     
    #27     Dec 27, 2021
  8. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    We use heroin/diamorphine all the time in the hospice. Some part of illegally sold heroin comes from the legal supply chain, just like guns.

    You have reached that incoherent all emotions and feelings stage III of turning into an old right wing dittohead jackoff. LacesOut and Scataphagos are stage IV. Do you really want to be a stage IV?
     
    #28     Dec 27, 2021
  9. UsualName

    UsualName

    Heroine certainly has legal purpose. We use opioids in medicine all of the time. Just like with guns, there’s a legal market and a black market.

    What I will say is that diving deeper into this and looking at the drug epidemic more regulation is needed on both opioids and guns.
     
    #29     Dec 27, 2021
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  10. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    I was just thinking I can't remember who wrote the 2nd anymore so had a look and Madison's full version is interesting. Of course the same guy had a long preamble to "We the people.." cut out as well.


    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/on-this-day-james-madison-introduces-the-bill-of-rights

    "Another interesting twist in Madison’s proposed Bill of Rights was a different version of what became the Second Amendment.

    “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person,” said Madison.
    "

    Ah the old days when people thought about going to hell if they killed somebody.
     
    #30     Dec 27, 2021
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