Why Can’t We Talk About the Murder Wave?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ipatent, Dec 26, 2021.

  1. Wallet

    Wallet

    Just because it works doesn’t make it right. Dude, I’m as conservative as can be but police pulling over people to check for anything, stopping and frisking people on the streets without any probable cause, just because they want to, is wrong. Plain Wrong!

    No one wants a police state, the freedoms we cherish come with a price. Our judicial system is designed to prevent an innocent person from being convicted, not apprehend every criminal at the expense of the innocent.

    But we don’t get to pick and choose what constitutional rights are applied to the innocent, either they all apply or our constitution means nada. If we can’t detain, search an innocent person without probable cause (violate a persons 4th), we can’t deny or restrict an innocent persons 2nd.
     
    #211     Jan 3, 2022
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  2. ipatent

    ipatent

    Do you have a better suggestion to reduce the murder wave? There are real victims here...lots of them.
     
    #212     Jan 3, 2022
  3. Wallet

    Wallet

    There’s lots that can be done inside the frame work of our constitution but that’s a different subject.

    I will say it doesn’t start with defunding the police and vilifying them at every turn.
     
    #213     Jan 3, 2022
  4. ipatent

    ipatent

    Terry v. Ohio, stop & frisk is constitutional. Any method can be abused.
     
    #214     Jan 3, 2022
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    As NYPD was doing and people like you want them to start doing again.
     
    #215     Jan 3, 2022
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    whoa! What is happening here?
     
    #216     Jan 3, 2022
  7. ipatent

    ipatent

    I don't think you really care about the crime victims.
     
    #217     Jan 3, 2022
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    You certainly don't care about the constitution and hundreds of thousands of victims whos constitutional rights were violated every year.
     
    #218     Jan 3, 2022
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Says the racist who basically calls black and brown people stupid and dont deserve to go to Ivy League schools.
     
    #219     Jan 3, 2022
  10. ipatent

    ipatent

    What's that have to do with protecting them from predators?

    They need more protection if there is a lack of effective voice and talent in their communities, not less.
     
    #220     Jan 3, 2022