Why Can't I Trade with the Trend

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Flashboy, Mar 10, 2005.

  1. wunasdaq

    wunasdaq

    I shall begin by placing the first stone......

    STEP 1 THE TREND

    - Determine if there is a MEANINGFUL TREND present

    There are two types.

    The meaningful ones:

    Downtrend = lower highs, lower lows
    Uptrend = higher highs, higher lows

    The ones you should ignore (for now) because they require greater
    skill to consistently profit from or
    simply, the sideway ones:

    Congestion/Indecision = higher lows, lower highs (Symmetric Triangle
    formations)
    Consolidation = horizontal lows/highs

    As you get more experienced you can profit off consolidation by fading
    support/resistance but for now, stick only to
    the meaningful trends.

    Again, as you get more experienced you can profit off symmetric
    triangles (HL LH) because they tend to give birth
    to POWERFUL new trends but for now I would rather you stick to the
    meaningful trends.
     
    #481     Sep 5, 2011
  2. Like most trading-related problems, the solution is fairly straightforward:

    1. Analyse all your trade decisions, each time you make one.
    2. Decide what mistakes you made.
    3. Work out the causes of those mistakes.
    4. Figure out a way to avoid the causes occurring again.
    5. Design and use implementation methods that ensure the causes/mistakes do not occur again.

    For your error, it sounds like a pre-exit checklist with a question asking "Is there a trend in place? If so, do not exit until a genuine reversal signal has been given" would help.

    Then, you just have to follow your "don't exit a trend until a true exit signal has been given" rule. If you can't follow it, you will keep screwing up until eventually the repeated lost profits get so annoyingly large that your psychology will change and your discipline will improve. Stick at it.
     
    #482     Sep 5, 2011
  3. bigb

    bigb

    You guys realize your responding to comments made 6 years ago? Everyone has different ideas of trend trading. All about your style.
     
    #483     Sep 5, 2011
  4. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    It's especially funny when you realize that this thread was started by a counter-trender. He was trying to pick tops and bottoms, an act of hubris, foolishness and/or desperation no matter how you slice it.

    In order to trade with the trend, first you have to find the trend. When I see stuff like "higher highs and lower lows", my eyes glaze over. By the time you can draw a decent "trendline" (whatever the $&#* that is), the trend is pretty much exhausted, unless you're in a bull or bear market. The real key is find the short trends as early as possible and ride them to the end. Nobody is going to reveal an indicator that does that.
     
    #484     Sep 5, 2011
  5. not true on two counts

    #1: Revealing any true indicator or solid method approach never diminishes its effectiveness one iota, not one smidgeon, not one drop. The idea that someone's "edge" can be negated by public revelation is just an oft-repeated fallacy.

    #2: Trend-following indicators exist, they are effective and they can be part of a true cash-collecting machine. BUT the operator of that machine MUST be able to overcome their strong instinct = desire to fade the indicator and counter-trend trade.

    Buying into a decline or selling into a rally are the stronger human tendencies than following a known, trusted trend filter tool. So basic human nature itself protects any true trend-following tools or methods by human flawed design :cool:
     
    #485     Sep 5, 2011
  6. wunasdaq

    wunasdaq

    You are right, man always select a beautiful chart and tell us how to use trend make money in hindsights
     
    #486     Sep 6, 2011
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    FALSE
     
    #487     Sep 6, 2011
  8. If you cant trade with the trend, then trade against it.
     
    #488     Sep 6, 2011
  9. Exactly. Countertrend trading strats proven to be more profitable for intraday trading.
     
    #489     Sep 6, 2011
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    FALSE
     
    #490     Sep 6, 2011