Why aren't there more Billionaire traders?

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by AndrewL, Dec 14, 2008.

  1. Brandonf

    Brandonf Sponsor

    Thats why you never have to worry about having it in the first place.
     
    #11     Dec 14, 2008
  2. Intraday liquidity restraints are one factor. If you go home flat at the end of each day, you don't have the opportunity to catch trends that last. Even if you are a, say futures trader, who makes 10k-20k per day everyday, that still only puts you at 2.5-5 million a year earnings (which is a lot). And then you'd need to trade for a LONG time to ever reach a billion.

     
    #12     Dec 14, 2008
  3. AndrewL

    AndrewL

    the QQQQ and SPY trade 200 million shares a day. This is enough liquidity to make a billion. I've never done paper trading just like I've never played poker without real money involved. Part of the skillset required in both is controlling your emotions, and there's no way to practice that without real money.
     
    #13     Dec 14, 2008
  4. Div_Arb

    Div_Arb

    There are lots of billionaire traders that come to mind. Stevie Cohen, James Simons, George Soros..... They are all traders, but not necessarily day traders. Maybe that should tell you something.
     
    #14     Dec 14, 2008
  5. based on 250 trading days...4 million a day would be tough.

    I can't even imagine the size I would have to trade. And I trade some large size.
     
    #15     Dec 14, 2008
  6. tradersboredom

    tradersboredom Guest

    billionaires or anyone of high net worth say 50 million hire invest in hedge funds who trade for them.



     
    #16     Dec 14, 2008
  7. tradersboredom

    tradersboredom Guest

    you can't hire somebody to play poker for you.

    you can hire someone to trade your account for you.



     
    #17     Dec 14, 2008
  8. :confused: :eek:


    people back ( or hire ) poker players all the time.

    what you talking 'bout??
     
    #18     Dec 14, 2008
  9. AndrewL

    AndrewL

    tradersboredom, people play poker with other people's money all the time. Nevada is the only state where it's legal to play with the casino's money and they're called shills.

    If the Hedge funds are the best traders out there there isn't much hope considering how poorly they've done lately. They're the very people who should've benefited from the volatility. In reality they were only benefiting from the market's upside.

    I wonder if brokerages are allowed to provide 4X day trading margin to billionaires like they do for the rest of us. If you have a large bankrool, a discount brokerage, and 4X day trading margin it seems to me that even the smallest advantage over the market would make at least 10% a quarter nearly every quarter.
     
    #19     Dec 14, 2008
  10. MGJ

    MGJ

    "Why aren't there more billionaire traders?" immediately suggests the followup questions
    1. How many billionaire traders are there?
    2. How do you know?
    3. How many billionaire traders are there, who are completely unknown to you and everyone else?
     
    #20     Dec 14, 2008