Why are we suppling the Saudis with $20 Billion worth of arms?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by hapaboy, Aug 4, 2007.

  1. Want to stop terrorism? Give in to its supporters
    By Diana West
    Saturday, August 4, 2007

    Boy, when it comes to Saudi Arabia, that Condi Rice and Bob Gates sure drive a tough bargain.

    Visiting "the kingdom" (the grating, fairytale nickname for that oil-rich human-rights pit), the U.S. secretaries of state and defense delivered a blunt message: If you keep fomenting and financing global jihad; if you keep teaching and preaching the eradication or repression of non-Muslims; if you keep trampling human rights, women's rights, freedom of conscience and freedom of speech; and if you keep supporting Sunni insurgents in Iraq who are battling American troops, then the United States will be forced to act. Yessir, you can bet your bottom petro-dollar. You Saudis keep doing all that bad stuff and Uncle Sam is going to ... deliver $20 billion of cutting edge weaponry to you, ASAP.

    That'll fix them.

    Or will it fix us? It's easy to get things mixed up unless you remember the latest version of the Bush Doctrine: You're either with us, or we sell you smart bombs.

    In the Bush administration, such appeasement counts as Grand Strategy. As the leading Sunni state, Saudi Arabia is supposed to serve as a counterbalance to Shiite Iranian terror-statism. Forget about Saudi Arabian terror-statism. And please don't wonder what happens if/when jihad revolutionaries, already thought to have infiltrated Saudi security forces, get their hands on our smart bombs. Inspired by the teachings of James Baker -- practically an honorary Saudi princeling -- Condi, Bob and George see the Saudis as Our Moderate Allies. Who cares if they promote jihad doctrine? Who cares if they sponsor Hamas? Who cares how many Saudis support (or belong to) Al Qaeda?

    The Saudis and their fellow Sunni states, including Egypt and Jordan, are supposed to agree with the Bush administration that they have a stake in stabilizing Shiite-majority Iraq -- which, in Bushland, is supposed to serve as a curb on Shiite Iran, and not simply turn into the natural ally thereof. It's in the Sunni states' interests, the Grand Strategy goes, to help stabilize Iraq and to support the so-called peace process between Israel and the Palestinians -- or, rather, between Israel and "good" Fatah Palestinians, not "bad" Hamas Palestinians. Never mind that both groups' charters call for the destruction of Israel. And never mind Saudi support for Hamas.

    The Sunnis aren't buying the administration's worldview, which, in politically correct fashion, ignores the $64,000 Islamic question: Why on Allah's green earth would these states want to staunch the bleeding of ideological enemy No. 1 in Iraq? Of course, these same states are happy to buy American guns and ammo. Which may make Condi, Bob and George masters of let's-make-a-deal politick. However, that's not saying much.

    But the Saudis have promised to open an embassy in Baghdad and come to peace talks with Israel, administration boosters will say. Well, not exactly. The Saudis said they will consider opening the embassy and consider coming to a peace conference. Frankly, opening that Baghdad embassy makes Saudi sense (so much easier to supply insurgents in Iraq using the diplomatic pouch). But since when is the presence of a world-class human rights violator at a peace conference something worth groveling for?

    Answer: Since this week, when the United States, represented by Rice, signed a joint statement endorsing the Saudi's pet peace plan, the one that sends Israel back to indefensible, pre-1967 borders. What comes in return? Arab recognition of Israel. (Oh, joy! The retrograde human rights violators might possibly recognize the freedom-loving democracy!) This is one big booby prize. It also marks a momentous shift in American policy that proves one calamitous truth: Jihad terrorism works.

    It's a dispiriting truth for a dispiriting time. American resolve has given way to American submission, and almost no one has noticed. Very little outrage over the Saudi sale has bubbled over, even in what could still be called the war camp. Israelis themselves have expressed little or no dissent. So far, with the exception of New Jersey Republican Rep. Mike Ferguson, the anti-Saudi support group seems centered in a small segment of the Democratic Left: New York Congressmen Jerrold Nadler and Anthony Weiner, Florida Congressman Robert Wexler, leftist writer Robert Scheer, and presidential candidate John Edwards. Which leaves us where, exactly? Somehow, it seems appropriate to reply: wandering in the wilderness.

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    Bush strikes again. Good grief, the only thing worse than him in office is a moonbat lib.

    Want to counter Iranian influence in Iraq? Then goddamnit, stop pussy-footing around, take out their nuke capabilities with all-out sustained air strikes, and bomb the shit out of them until the message is clear.

    Make it clear to the Saudis that they fucking better increase oil output to keep prices as stable as possible and oh, by the way, if you want us to keep buying your oil, ya better do some house-cleaning of your own and get rid of all the Al Qaeda supporters in the House of Saud.

    And for Chrissakes, some President have the balls to do away with the oil lobby and get a real alternative fuels program going. Make it the second priority after defense, have a mandate to reduce the country's dependence on oil by 50% in 5 years. Think it can't be done? Shit, look what came out of Los Alamos after throwing tons of money and getting the top scientists together.

    Yeah, yeah, oil spikes to whatever a barrel for a while. Tough shit. We've been dealing with this for too damn long. The time has come for this swamp to be drained and America to stand back up after being bent over a barrel (pun intended) for so long.

    After we don't need their oil, they'll all be in the same boat with their Palestinian "brothers" who they do nothing to help now.
     
  2. I'm sure our leaders know what they're doing in transferring our most advanced weapons to Saudi Arabia, which could be toppled and taken over by al qeada at any time. OK, only kidding. WTF are they thinking?

    Probably, three things. One, we've done this consistently in the past with no problems. Two, this is a sweet deal for defense contractors and retired generals who will get hired to implement it. Three, more weapons makes Saudi Arabia a more formidable offset for Iran. Forget that the last war the Saudis fought was on horseback. Or that their military is largely made up of poor yemenis, who would probably desert at the first sign of combat.

    Saudi money is the mother's milk of terrorism. We will make no real progress until we accept that fact and act on it. They finance the madrassa school system in pakistan and elsewhere, including this country, that produces a steady stream of islam-addled terrorism recruits. They finance the vigorous export of the extreme wahabbi islam sect, including in this country. Our leaders do nothing, even though an American is subject to arrest in Saudi Arabia for such offenses as possessing a Bible, going to a church service (which of course would have to be clandestine since churches are barred) or displaying Christian symbols, such as a cross.

    We do little or nothing to break our dependence on imported oil, even though oil and oil money are the roots of terrorism. I guess it's cheaper to fight a world-wide war against muslim terrorists than build some nuke plants and convert to sugarcane-derived ethanol like Brazil or coal oil like South Africa.
     
  3. You wouldnt have seen them trading nuclear secrets with moscow 40 years ago, why this now?

    Personally, it seems like a.....................












    Conspiracy:D :p !!!!!!
     
  4. Except, this time it is done in the open. I guess nobody cares anymore.

    Nearly all operatives in the 9/11 attack were Saudi's, so maybe this is a downpayment for the next attack?

    Well, this government is done anyway. They know the GOP will not be in power for the next 8 years at least. Following that train of thought, what would you do to make sure your stamp is printed on the next decade. My guess is they will start a war with Iran about 6 months before the election. That will keep us busy for another 10-20 years. Almost certainly all US will get all patriotic again and vote another monkey in the White House; can't be worse than this one tho.
    In the Haliburton is waiting in the country next door for all the post-war 'reconstruction projects' coming their way.

    Ursa..