Why are there so many losers?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by AshanD, May 13, 2005.

  1. danielc1

    danielc1

    Strange, I disagree with everything that has been written on this thread. I believe 100% of the people make it, if they do three things:
    1) Have enough money.
    2) Start very small.
    3) Do not give up.

    I have trained some people and the only reason why some make it and why a lot don't is 'staying' power.
    Everybody can make it in this business but what will you do if it takes ten year before you make it? (I'm not saying it takes ten year but for some will) What will you do if your losing streak is so big and long that you will need additional capital? Most people just give up... and look for something else they can do. What is fine. Only the people with the hart for the 'trading' business will survive this 'challenge' that every wannabe has to go through.
     
    #11     May 14, 2005
  2. LaSalle

    LaSalle

    No edge. You need to go into every trading day with some kind of plan at least. Even if it is as simple as a maximum daily draw down expectation; anything to add some sort of structure to your trading helps.
     
    #12     May 14, 2005
  3. Xenia

    Xenia

    I agree ...
     
    #13     May 14, 2005
  4. T/A_Bo

    T/A_Bo

    I gave a presentation at the Chicago Traders expo on this very subject. I have had the unique opportunity to peek over many, MANY losing traders shoulders over the last 5 years as I have sold my knowledge as a consultant, coach, seminar host, stock picker, etc.

    On the face of it, you would assume that a trader fails because of flaws in their trade acquisition system. (they are lousy trade selectors) But my experience says no...Everybody seems to spend all their time on trade style and selection when the real reason they fail can be traced to one of these flaws...

    1: No Trading Plan
    2: Initial Trade Risk Not Justified By Gains Taken
    3: Improper Position Sizing
    4: Inability To Accept Risk
    5: Lack Of consistent Approach

    I think you can still get a recording of my presentation from the expo folks, or if there is enough interest maybe I will turn this into an article for my blog


    In any case, the bottom line is don't worry about your picking skills as much as you do on your trade plan, and edge analysis!
     
    #14     May 14, 2005
  5. Don't most of you agree that one reason people fail is because they can't adapt to a changing market?
     
    #15     May 14, 2005
  6. Trading rules are very simple, whether you follow 10 of them or 100 of them. Problems arise when you have a position(s) on and you freak and freeze and can't pull the trigger. Everything gets screwed up, you liquidate winners and ride losers. Your wiring gets crossed due to panic and lack of a well rehearsed game plan to get back on track. It is a confidence issue and you have to be skilled enough to get out of a bad situation post haste and move on.

    I have met some of the BEST market callers who never made it as traders, as well as some of the WORST market callers who made fortunes, because of their approach to money management and emotional control.
     
    #16     May 14, 2005
  7. nkhoi

    nkhoi

    love to see it and I also enjoy your book, thnx (a friend recomm it).
     
    #17     May 14, 2005
  8. imo the big ones are:

    1-correct trading is opposite of human nature (risk:reward decision making, bad emotional decisions)
    2-technical skills like programming and statistics help a lot and most people don't have them
    3-people don't have enough $
    4-people are vulnerable to bs (stock market tv shows)
    5-too much information. there's so much information about trading, it is especially hard when you first start to determine what is good/bad information.
     
    #18     May 14, 2005
  9. 1penguin

    1penguin

    Great post.
    I strongly believe that you can still make money flipping a coin at the opening, if you use a good money management strategy. In my opinion, most of the people lose because they are lazy. Being a trader requires you to study, and study a lot. There are no classes, and no exams. And you have no idea if you're ready, until you hit the markets. But people are spoiled. They want to be catered to. They want the fast, easy way. They think that you can become rich in a matter of months. But in this field, there is no such thing. You have to figure it out, and you have to do it yourself. What do you need to make it? Same things you need for other things: passion, dedication, and time. That's the way I see it. Good luck.
     
    #19     May 14, 2005
  10. Totally think that is the wrong attitude although on the surface it would appear to make sense. Many people who have finished High School, college, SAT scores, careers, in the top 2 or 10 % of
    their peer group have failed at trading. On the other hand we have all seen great traders who are lucky enough to be doing it because they are absolutely hopeless at anything else. I gotta say tho....you have to LOVE and have a BURNING DESIRE for this to make it succeed.
     
    #20     May 14, 2005