Why are there flash crashes in the stock market but no flash rallies?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by helpme_please, Mar 3, 2018.

  1. Roderick

    Roderick

    A flash crash is the result of panic and a panic can’t make people buy indiscriminately! However, markets do swing, on the upper side also sharply, mostly on some key events, like an election results giving decisive victory to one party rather than throwing a hung parliament. But for sure, that can’t be termed as flash rally!
     
    #61     Mar 11, 2018
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  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Flash rally on the Tillerson news, lasted 12 minutes, then returned where it began. Later on it continued, but this is the definition of flash rally, 13 ES points up and down...
     
    #62     Mar 13, 2018
  3. Fadip

    Fadip

    Roderick, I totally agree with you. Sharp downturns of the market are mainly caused by the panicking investors and big players. As a rule they happen before the publication of the important economic statistics.
     
    #63     Mar 20, 2018
  4. Arnie

    Arnie

    What do you think causes the lack of liquidity?

    Some good research on tops and bottoms here...

    https://www.lowryresearch.com/Research/WhitePapers
     
    #64     Mar 21, 2018
  5. Spooz Top 2

    Spooz Top 2

    Flash crashes North are called the so called "Fat Finger" trades on the thinly traded pre market ES/ S&P to run the stops.......

    Flash crash are due to lack of liquidity underneath... when Bots control inside bid/ Inside ask.. they don`t need depth... until the bots do the Houdini & market is exposed for what it is!
     
    #65     Mar 21, 2018
  6. sss12

    sss12

    out of curiosity, do you have the time line ? or when the dates were clustered ? how many of those up moves were in the past 20 yrs ?
     
    #66     Mar 21, 2018
  7. tomorton

    tomorton


    Just 3 were in the last 20 years, but that's above average for such a long time period. The 3 most recent one-day "crashes" were
    No.13: 15/10/08 -7.9%
    No.15: 01/12/08: -7.7%
    No.16: 09/10/08: -7.3%

    Just outside the 20yr range was
    No.19: 27/10/97: -7.2%

    Out of interest, No.1 was Black Monday:
    19/10/87: -22.6%
    This one came out of a bearish development, not out of the blue in a bull market. Price had peaked on 25/08. Price closed below the 50EMA on 04/09 and the average started to flat-line. The 20EMA closed below the 50 on 12/10. Price closed below the 200EMA on 15/10. The Friday close on 16/10 was the lowest of the week, and the day's low was also the week's low. After the Black Monday fall price took 24mths to regain the 25/08/87 high.
     
    #67     Mar 21, 2018
  8. sss12

    sss12

    thanks, but I was interested in the 66 up days...do you have that ?
     
    #68     Mar 21, 2018
  9. tomorton

    tomorton


    8 of the 66 one-day rises over 5.0% since 1900 were in the last 20yrs: in order of severity:
    13/10/08
    28/10/08
    23/03/09
    13/11/08
    21/11/08
    24/07/02
    10/03/09
    29/07/02

    4 were in the very volatile period immediately after the 2008 start of the global financial crisis and 2 were right after the 09/03/09 bottom.
     
    #69     Mar 21, 2018
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  10. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Today was also a flash rally after the 2 pm Fed's meeting. 15 ES points up and down under 5 minutes.
     
    #70     Mar 21, 2018