Why are some people still refusing to get Covid vaccine?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by KCalhoun, Aug 28, 2021.

  1. virtusa

    virtusa

    I am sure the anti vaxxers will say that the reporting from the hospitals are fake news.

    And for a part of them, the calculation is to difficult to understand I think...
     
    #191     Sep 2, 2021
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  2. UsualName

    UsualName

    Right and if hospitals hit capacity and there’s still inflow of Covid cases they have to make an ethical decision on who to treat. When Covid first came and we had no viable treatment options this was happening in the Northeast. Older patients went untreated with severe disease to treat younger patients because the ethics of life expectancy.

    Now with available and effective vaccines the ethics have moved to persons who have chosen to be responsible over persons not. So essentially decisions can be made ethically to treat a 65 year old vaccinated patient over a 40 year old unvaccinated person.
     
    #192     Sep 2, 2021
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  3. smallfil

    smallfil

    Nobody mentions the fact that the Israeli finding of natural immunity being 13 times better protection against Corona Virus delta variant compared to the vaccines? Of the fact that the vaccines so called protection lasts a very short time. Then what? That you could still get infected with Corona Virus even if you have been fully vaccinated with two jabs of the vaccines. Now, the CDC and extreme liberal idiots including, our ET trolls have moved the goal posts. Now, you are not considered vaccinated until you get the 3rd booster shots? Israel just reported that those who got their 3rd booster shots still got infected by Corona Virus. So, where is the protection? Apparently, non-existent if one just used one's common sense. Remember, extreme liberal darling Anthony Fauci has already said, we need to make this a yearly thing, this getting these vaccines so, apparently, you need to get vaccinated often, to somehow hope that you get protection for a few months if you are lucky?
     
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    #193     Sep 2, 2021
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  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Thus the power grab can continue as far as the eye can see. This is why mask mandates and lockdowns and mandatory vaccines cannot be allowed to happen. It makes it much easier for Marxists to expand power that they will never give up.
     
    #194     Sep 2, 2021
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  5. Buy1Sell2

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    EXTREMELY COHERENT POSTING
     
    #195     Sep 2, 2021
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  6. Dr McCullough is a world renowned authority on COVID and editor-in-chief of two major medical journals. He discusses how most deaths are due to CDC refusing to permit pre-hospital treatment, which would keep most people out of the hospital. He also discusses how the "vaccines" don't prevent infection but do cause major problems. Recorded at the Andrews University Village Church, Berrien Springs, MI, August 20, 2021

    https://rumble.com/vlqdpo-dr-peter-mccullough-lecture-on-the-state-of-covid-treatment..html
     
    #196     Sep 2, 2021
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  7. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    “Worst surge we’ve seen”: Some hospitals in delta hot spots close to breaking point
    Bridget Balch, Staff Writer
    August 24, 2021

    Unvaccinated people are being hospitalized with COVID-19 at alarming rates, and hospitals are struggling to care for them.


    In Houston, ambulances with patients in need of urgent care have been idling for hours outside emergency departments. In New Orleans, COVID-19 hospitalizations have already eclipsed last winter’s peak. And in Tampa, doctors who normally work in outpatient settings are making rounds as hospitalists.

    Leaders at teaching hospitals in regions currently facing COVID-19 surges driven by the highly infectious delta variant describe the situation in their hospitals as the worst it’s been during the pandemic, despite hopes earlier this summer that the vaccination of large portions of the elderly and most vulnerable populations would keep hospitalizations in check.

    “Hospitals are approaching a breaking point,” says James McDeavitt, MD, executive vice president and dean of clinical affairs at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

    “This fourth surge is now becoming the worst surge we’ve seen,” says Leonardo Seoane, MD, senior vice president and chief academic officer for Ochsner Health in New Orleans and associate vice chancellor of academics at LSU Health Shreveport. “The team is feeling like it’s another Hurricane Katrina.”

    Hospitalization rates spiking

    In the United States, hospitalizations due to COVID-19 reached a rate of 3.43 per 100,000 people as of Aug. 16, the highest it’s been since January though still below the winter peak of almost 5 per 100,000 people.

    But the hospitalizations are far from evenly distributed. The two U.S. Department of Health and Human Services-designated health regions that include the Southern and Southwestern states — including Florida, Louisiana, and Texas — are recording hospitalization rates at least twice as high as any other health region, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Texas reached a hospitalization rate of nearly 6 per 100,000 people in mid-August, Louisiana had almost 8 per 100,000, and Florida reached a pandemic high of more than 10 per 100,000 people, nearly double the rate it experienced during last winter’s surge.

    “At Tampa General, we’re busier than we’ve ever been,” says Charles Lockwood, MD, senior vice president of USF Health in Tampa, Florida, and dean of the USF Health Morsani College of Medicine.

    Although deaths from COVID-19 have stayed low compared with earlier in the pandemic — thanks in part to better treatment protocols and the vaccination of older, sicker people — those who are being hospitalized now are younger, and some did not have medical conditions that put them at higher risk.

    “The average age of admission has dropped by more than a decade,” McDeavitt says.

    “The new risk factor [for severe, life-threatening COVID-19] is, ‘I’m not vaccinated.’”

    Charles Fox, MD, chief medical officer for Ochsner/LSU Health System of North Louisiana

    At Ochsner Health in New Orleans, the average age of patients admitted for COVID-19 is 50, and hospitals are seeing more people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s. In Shreveport last week, six patients were on extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) machines, which bypass the heart and lungs of the sickest patients to give their bodies a chance to rest.

    “It’s the most we’ve ever had,” says Charles Fox, MD, chief medical officer for Ochsner/LSU Health System of North Louisiana. “I don’t think anyone is over 45, and four had no risk factors.
    • “The new risk factor is, ‘I’m not vaccinated.’”
    These COVID-19-related hospitalizations are on top of all the non-COVID-19 hospitalizations, which administrators say have also increased, in part because some people put off medical care earlier in the pandemic.

    “I suspect a lot of people didn’t get medical care during 2020,” says Kencee Graves, MD, associate chief medical officer and associate professor of hospital medicine and palliative medicine at the University of Utah Health. “We need to be able to care for those that need us. COVID absolutely makes that harder.”

    Even in places that are not experiencing steep COVID-19 surges, like New Mexico and Utah, hospitals are strained.

    “At UNM [University of New Mexico] hospitals, we are experiencing very high volumes of patients. We’re well over capacity,” says Irene Agostini, MD, chief medical officer of UNM Hospital in Albuquerque. “We’ve been seeing an enormous influx of patients from around the state. … We’re surmising that these people can’t be cared for at the more rural hospitals.”

    Staffing challenges
    “The main difference [between this surge and previous ones] is that we are very challenged because of staffing,” says Roberto de la Cruz, MD, chief medical officer of Parkland Health and Hospital System in Dallas. On a recent weekend, the health system had to close more than two dozen beds because there weren’t enough nurses to staff them all.

    Across the United States, health care workers — particularly nurses and respiratory therapists — have been quitting their jobs due to burnout or trauma from watching so many patients die or to pursue other opportunities.

    Some nurses have quit their jobs to work in higher-paying markets or to sign up with traveling nursing agencies, which contract with hospitals and often offer higher compensation.

    “Health care providers never got a break,” McDeavitt says. “We’ve had nurses say, ‘I quit; I’m going home; I can’t do this anymore.’ We’re seeing people just resign because they’ve had enough.”

    Many nurses, particularly those with young children, have decided they don’t want to go through another year of trying to arrange child care and are even more worried about infecting their kids as more children are getting sicker from the delta variant, says Fox.

    And with vaccines now available that largely prevent hospitalization from COVID-19, many health care workers are feeling particularly frustrated by continually seeing unvaccinated people suffer with the disease.

    “Health care providers never got a break. We’ve had nurses say, ‘I quit; I’m going home; I can’t do this anymore.’ We’re seeing people just resign because they’ve had enough.”

    James McDeavitt, MD, executive vice president and dean of clinical affairs at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston

    “We’re having to go through tremendous sacrifice — deal with death and dying, the emotional toll for a completely preventable disease,” Seoane says.

    Hospitals are now looking to state and federal governments to help call in reinforcements, in some cases by deploying military nurses to overwhelmed regions or by providing funding for traveling nurse contracts. But in the meantime, they are having to stretch their resources.

    This means in some areas, intensive care units that would normally have one nurse to every one or two patients will now have one nurse tending to three patients, McDeavitt says. In other places, medical residents are treating more COVID-19 patients than early in the pandemic, and medical students are helping with tasks such as communicating with the families of patients and staffing clinics to free up nursing staff for more critical care.

    “[The students] really are more engaged than ever, and they are really helping us,” Fox says.

    But many health care leaders worry that as K-12 schools reconvene this month, potentially driving up case counts even more, the strain will only increase, putting those health care workers who remain on the front lines at even more risk of burning out.

    “They leave their families every day, work long hours, they’re dedicated in their work,” Seoane says. “They seem indefatigable, [but] the truth is … [they] can only run on adrenaline for so long.”

    A plea for solidarity



    They are forging ahead with efforts to vaccinate those who remain unvaccinated. At Parkland Health and Hospital System in Dallas, clinicians get an alert if the patient they are seeing is unvaccinated to remind them to talk with them about any concerns or questions they might have about the vaccines. In Shreveport, health officials enlisted the help of players from the New Orleans Saints NFL team to promote vaccination. And in Tampa, they are doubling down on community outreach programs to vaccinate people in communities that have low vaccination rates, particularly people living in rural areas and Black and Latino people.

    The efforts are paying off. Louisiana and Florida have seen upticks in vaccinations over the past month. In Louisiana, the seven-day average of vaccine doses administered has more than doubled, from 7,741 on July 20 to 15,919 on Aug. 17. Florida increased its seven-day-average doses from 42,476 on July 20 to 68,239 on Aug. 16, although that number dropped again in recent days, according to CDC data.

    But the relief the vaccines will provide may not come soon enough. Hospital leaders are urging the public to band together in solidarity, not only for their own health and the health of those around them, but for the health care workers being pushed to their limits.

    “We need masks and social mitigation, and the public needs to change their behavior; that’s the only thing that’s going to decrease hospitalizations over the next three weeks,” Seoane says. “We don’t have four to five weeks [to wait for vaccines to take effect]. The hospitals would absolutely be overrun.

    “The public seems to go about their day-to-day life without any concept of what a true crisis this is."
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    #197     Sep 2, 2021
  8. virtusa

    virtusa

    I think you are afraid from your own shadow. :D
     
    #198     Sep 2, 2021
  9. Guess who is getting IVERMECTIN before they arrive.

    AFGHANISTAN REFUGEES!

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    https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html
     
    #199     Sep 3, 2021
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    #200     Sep 3, 2021
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