Great, so humor me and answer directly. Do you believe Clinton would have done no better than Obama these last four years? I just want to see how far out your viewpoint is vs. mine.
Clinton would not have let this deal fall through the way Obama did. At the end of the day, Clinton knew how the game was played. Obama is a pure idealogue. http://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-book-debt-deal-collapse-led-pure-151043612.html
I have great respect for Clinton, peccadillos notwithstanding. I genuinely believe he would not have fared better in this environment where it is the Right that has decided not to work together, signing ideological no-compromise promises among themselves and declaring that their principal preoccupation would not be to work with the president, but to ensure that he gets nothing done. The Right love their country so much that they're willing to bring it down on its knees just to prove it. And, through Mitch McConnell, they said as much. And, with "Bring it on!" in response to a possible default, they said as much. Was that direct enough for you?
His speech last night was great. If he didn't persuade the undecideds then they must simply be brain-dead or totally apathetic.
Yes, that was a direct answer. Thank you. I think you are seriously underestimating Clinton's ability to get stuff done, and giving Obama way, way too much slack (nothing is ever his fault) but that's ok. We can agree to disagree. Part of me hopes Obama does get re-elected. And that he does so with a majority of dems in congress. Then, this will all come to a failure that much quicker and the left will have no one left to blame for their misguided policy.
Feb 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by Musliim fanatics. Clinton did nothing. Oct. 1993, eighteen Ameican troops were killed in Somalia. Clinton ordered our troops home. Osama bin Laden told ABC News, "The youth realized more than before that the American Soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows ran in defeat. Nov. 1995, five Americans were killed and thirty wounded by a car bomb in Saudi Arabia by Muslim extremists. Clinton did nothing. June 1996, a U.S. Air Force housimg complex was bombed by Muslim extremists. Clinton did nothing. Nov. 1997, Iraq refused to allow UN weapons inspectors to do their jobs. Clinton did nothing. Feb. 1998, Clinton threatened to bomb Iraq, but called it off. Aug. 7th 1998 U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists Clinton did nothing. Aug. 20 1998, Monica Lewinsky appeared for the second time to testify before a grand jury. Clinton responded by bombing Afahanistan and Sudan, severely damaging a camel and an aspirin factory. Dec. 16 1998, the House of Representatives prepared to impeach Clinton the next day. Clinton retaliated by ordering a major air strike against Iraq. Oct. 2000 our warship the USS cole was attacked by Muslim extremists. Clinton did nothing. Plus the Clinton body count: James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement for refusing to testify as a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House. Vince Foster - Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992. Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor". Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events. Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house. James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas. James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater. Kathy Ferguson -Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible Corroborating witness for Paula Jones. Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancée. Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor. Florence Martin - Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds. Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death. Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident. Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation. Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death. Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal. Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce. Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash. Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother. Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident. Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole. Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released. Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded. Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case here-initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE: Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July, 1988 Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988 Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989. Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April, 1989. James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes. (?) Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990. Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989 THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: Major William S. Barkley Jr. Captain Scott J. Reynolds Sgt. Brian Hanley Sgt. Tim Sabel Major General William Robertson Col. William Densberger Col. Robert Kelly Spec. Gary Rhodes Steve Willis Robert Williams Conway LeBleu Todd McKeehan
This should pretty much keep him out of the "best" presidents category. Remind me to NEVER get involved with a Clinton.